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Dec 17, '01I also have the same grading scale you have. I am in Nursing-4
in a comm. college. I really do not think it is fair for all the other progams in our college to have the normal grading scale and ours gets jacked up!!!! We have to make a 80 on all our test including
clinical, tests, quizes and FOUR drug doses test. If all five of your test don't come out to an 80 they won't even figure in the rest of your grade ..you fail.......so if you get anywhere with complaining let me know we also would like to know"WHAT'S THE DEAL???!!!
Dec 17, '01KC CHICK,
The reason why I believe we need to change the grading scale is because in 1999, they totally changed the curriculum. So our passing rate is not that great with this new curriculum. In each level, there has been half or more of the students to fail with two or three to drop out completely.
And also, with this new curriculum, each level does not prepare you for the next level that you pass into. Like with the old curriculum, it built upon itself. Meaning, Level 1 prepared you for Level 2, Level 2 prepared you for Level 3 and Level 3 prepared you for Level 4. With this new curriculum, you don't know what they will be teaching, but are expected to know something about what they are teaching. And there is no way of knowing, until you are sitting in class the first day.
So that is why I think that either go back to the old curriculum that did prepare you for each level, that did build upon itself, or changed the grading scale.
I truly do understand what you are saying and yes I have set high standards for myself.
And something else, when they changed the curriculum, they kept the grading scale as is, but also changed the hours. Before Level 2, 3, and 4 was 12 hours, full time, with Level 1 being only 10 hours. Now Levels 1, 2, 3, and 4 are only 10 hours.
And on top of that, they added this other course that is 1 hour, called: Professional Development. With this course, you earn points, but the points will not be added and divided by 4, until the fourth level. And in order to earn these points, you have to do volunteer work, like doing BP, working a blood drive, community work, or join SNO or MOSA, go to the Nursing conventions, yes you do pay for your points. But like I said, from Level 1 to Level 4, you are earning points till the last day of Level 4. Then you turn in your Professional Development portifolio, the teacher that is in charge of figuring up how many points you have, will add the points and divide by 4 ["4 Levels] and that will be your grade in that course.
But you still have got to come up with another hour so that you will be 12 hours, full time.
When you get into Level 4, you have to take a Leadership course on Mondays for 5 weeks [yes very boring], which is one hour. So that one hour course and your professional development course that will make you full time, 12 hours.
Like I said they changed everything except for the grading scale.
Dec 17, '01I just graduated from a BSN program. Our grading scale was
Below 74 was a D, but it might as well have been an F because you could not pass anything with a D. To be honest I'm not sure where the cutoff between D and F was. Our grading scale was changed the semester I started clinicals (2nd sophomore) and all the upperclassmen complained because we were getting special treatment (theirs was changed too, but it was not retroactive to previously earned grades). Before it was the same as yours I believe.
Dec 17, '01Nurse Tami,
Our grading scale is also [I thought] was written in stone and made clear to you from the very beginning as well as each time you go into another level or repeat a level.
It was verified by an instructor that this past Fall 2001 semester, every Level 3 student in Level 3, received 3 points added to their final grade.
It is written that in order for you to pass, you have to pass with an 80 in each level for your final grade. So several Level 3 students who had a 77 or higher for their final grade passed because they received 3 points extra.
How they got this "3 points" added to their final grade? Some of the students went to the vice president of our school. And what ever was said the "3 points," were the results of it, which has caused me as well as 7 or so students to received letters that says that they could not tell us if we were accepted back into level 4, because of not enough faculty for level 4.
Now if they would have told me it was because of my GP, hey I would have accepted it peacefully. But because they do not have enough faculity for Level 4, which stems from Level 3 receiving 3 points and passing students who actually failed. That is not
right! Yes Level 3 was a big class of 55 students.
That is blocking me and the others from finishing what we
Dec 17, '01Tattoochick wrote:
<I think it's pretty fair, even though some of my instructors won't round unless you have a .9 at least!>
At my school, no rounding up...if you have a 73.99, it won't be rounded up so you can pass! The decimal is dropped and you have a 73. The crazy rounding system screwed me out of at least 2 As in 10 credit hour classes. Oh, well, I'm done now. I've been a college graduate for 2.5 days now. It feels so nice...
Dec 17, '01I for one am thankful that our program has such high standards (anything below 76% is failing). The way I look at it is who do I want caring for me or a member of my family, a nurse that barely passed with a low score, or one who passed un the upper percentile of their graduating class? Not mention programs with higher grading criteria have more nurses passing boards on the first attempt. Our school has an ADN program and a respiratory therapy program, both use the higher standard for pass/fail, and both have an extremely high percent of graduates pass their boards on the first try.
Dec 18, '01In Australia they do it differently...
To coincide with the rest of the University (Health - Nursing etc., Arts, Science, Business and other degrees are all done through the University), the passing grade is 50% (Australian Unis are very Government controlled; they can't do it their own way as they could in a private Uni). What they do to ensure quality nursing care is raise the bar for what they call 50%.
For example, we were graded on a "Bondy" scale:
Independent (= A)
Supervised (= B)
Assisted (= C)
Although you had to get a minimum of 1 Independent and 3 Supervised to pass in final year, this was a bare pass, and called 50%. If you got Assisted (meaning that the supervisor had to actually help you do anything), you failed. So in effect, you needed an A and 3 Bs to pass - grade point average of 77.5%
So thinking it through, it's equivalent, isn't it?
Dec 18, '01My grading scale was the same as yours. Anything below a B- was considered failing, however. A C was not acceptable. For a long time I thought that was ridiculous, but when I saw what those numbers weeded out in the line of students with poor nursing skills, I began to see why. Myconsistently had one of the highest rates of NCLEX passing rates in our state!
Dec 18, '01To use a politicaly incorrect hunting analogy: "Shoot for the eagle, hit the pheasant, and NEVER eat crow!
My school is on the ten point grading scale, but the tests that they write have little to do with the bulk of the study guides in some classes.
Not to sound harsh, but what is the sense in striving for anything but an "A"? An ocassional "B" is going to happen with the variables involved in writing tests for a wide range of skill levels, but "C's should not be necessary with any decent effort.
If you truly strive for an "A", and look inside yourself for the honesty of why you are not achieving it, you will find the answer.
Don't allow yourself excuses because they won't appear on your transcript.
For instance, course study guides are now available in my bookstore for the next semester(7 weeks away). I will have all the lab homework done, and will have made flashcards compiled by section for the entire semester. I can then devote my time to memorization on a larger scale rather than spending time making flashcards. I can have any questions about material in the study guide ready before classes start each lecture. I can only expand on my knowledge of the material. virtualy impossible to fall behind that way.
Regardless of what grade scale they use, I won't even sniff a "C".
If you were getting an "A" would you even care about this?
I'm sorry that you're having trouble, but I would be more pissed about getting a 91% and not getting an "A" myself.Last edit by Peeps Mcarthur on Dec 19, '01
Dec 18, '01
A friend of mine in an LPN program said that her school is raising their standards to 78 next semester, anything below that is failing. She also said that the RN program is being raised to 80.
she said this is because of the programs pass/fail rates for the boards, evidently the nursing program got a major awakening last year by some higher ups.
Anyway, her school is not that far from Ivy Tech, maybe an hour or so, one student plans to transfer there.
Dec 18, '01Originally posted by TruthSeeker
The reason why I am wanting this information is because the nursing program that I am attending right now, the grading scale is as follow: 93 to 100 = A
86 to 92 = B
80 to 85 = C
74 to 79 = D
73 or below = F
The ADN program that I graduated from used an even tighter grading scale that yours: 94-100=A, 87-93=B, 80-86=C, 73-79=D, below 73=F. It was scary, at first, having such a strict scale. But after the first semester it wasn't nearly as intimidating. Since I knew that the grading would be tough, I made sure I knew my stuff! Ultimately, I believe that helped me pass my boards.
Dec 18, '01The college that I attended also had a 7 point scale for grades. This scale was for the entire school.....not just Nursing. Anything below a "C" was failing for the Nursing program.
Dec 18, '01Peter... at least you knew your stuff, huh! Boy, I'm not sure I'd make it through that scale.
My school's scale is:
Must make a C or better to pass.
I live by this quote:
"When you come to the edge of all the light you know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, faith is knowing one of two things will happen: There will be something solid to stand on or you will be taught to fly." Author Unknown