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Lot of gender roles being played here wow . Sociology class nailed it 100%
If you want to take "steps", Nursing is the way to go
This why more females enter nursing and more males enter Med School
With Nursing you can become a CNA after High School, then decide to be a LPN get married have kids go back to school become a RN in two years, then later BSN than later if you wish a NA,NP,MSN etc.
With Med school, there is NO "steps" either your in or your out. There are always exceptions but it is not the norm like it is in nursing.
With Nursing you can enter at pretty much any stage in life 20,30,40,50 etc.
With Med school this is something you have to determine to do early in life.
As you will need during high school to work for scholarships to help pay for Medical School.(all AP classes and High GPA)
The courses are not the same. You have to have very strong math skills.
all you need is High School Algebra II to be a RN. Pre-Med you have to take calculus I/II and Psychics I/II
You do not take a easy "fundamentals of chemistry"
Strong science skills backed by math skills for Bio I/II, Organic I/II, Chem I,II
So the answer is NO, FAFSA will not pay for classes that are not on your declared degree. This is based on new rules that was passed recently to discourage students from taking to long to graduate, taking classes that do not pertain to their degree; causing the tax payer money with defaulted loans.
There is a shortage of Doctors right now. Not Nurses.
I recommend watching "Boston Medical" on Hulu
gives you a real perspective of Med Students going thru residency
and their personal lives as Med Students and also show cases nurses and their jobs
Yes, it's true that you can take your education in "steps" with nursing- lots of people do that and find nursing to be more flexible in that respect. Whereas the educational ladder in nursing allows people to "step off" at various levels (eg- LPN, RN, NP, CRNA, DNP, PhD, etc), the path to a career in medicine is much more like a two lane road with only one way in and one way out. The road begins with one starting their pre-med courses in a 4-year undergraduate program and ends with the completion of residency and board certification/licensure (and then fellowship if studying a sub-specialty). It's much harder to change specialties in medicine- say from anesthesia to dermatology- because one has to complete an entirely different residency and/or fellowship to practice in a different area of medicine. While some obstacles to change in specialty may still exist in nursing (ie- a psych nurse wanting to practice in critical care- they'd have to get med/surg experience first), it's easier for nurses to transition to different roles in different practice environments.
It's certainly not true, however, that more men go into medicine than women. Especially not after seeing all- or majority-female medicine teams in my ICU (including the attending physicians). In nursing school I learned that medicine has achieved a significantly higher gender balance than nursing because: 1)medicine is no longer looked at as an exclusively "male" profession; and 2)more and more young women are more open to exploring career choices in fields such as medicine and the bench sciences- fields that were once (but no longer) "male-dominated." In contrast, nursing is still very much a female-dominated profession, with men making up only about 6%-7% of all nurses.
Although it's much easier to pursue a career in medicine if you start planning in high school or college, it can still be done at later stages in life- although it would probably not be advisable to start on the path to med school if you're >45-50 years old (unless you plan to practice until you're 80). Various people have proven that time and again. I personally met an anesthesiologist (in nursing school clinicals) who was a CRNA and went to med school in his early 40's.
Although you don't need Calculus to enter nursing school, I would argue that having a strong skill set in mathematics and (especially) the sciences is a pre-requisite to becoming a good nurse. Many of my classmates in my BSN program had excellent GPAs in undergrad-level science classes- ie- the same ones that students who are pre-med take. I don't see how one can understand all of the pathophysiology, lab parameters, vital signs, pharmacokinetics/dynamics (how the body affects drugs and how drugs affect the body) if one doesn't have a good understanding of at least biology, chemistry, micro, and anatomy/physiology. Nurses are expected to know more and more about disease processes and why certain diagnostic and/or treatment measures are taken. Tell me that's not so when family members ask me trick questions about what a particular drug does and what it's side effects are, or why their loved one is getting a particular diagnostic test. Bottom line- the public expects nurses to know EVERYTHING about what they do and why they do it- and beyond. We may not always have an answer to those questions, but that's the expectation that I've seen many patients and their family members have.
Lastly, it may SEEM as though there isn't a nursing shortage right now- because more nurses have come out of retirement and part-timers are going full-time. It's also that much harder for new grads these days to find a job- because the available positions are being taken by experienced nurses. There is still a shortage of experienced nurses, however, and the overall nursing shortage will get MUCH worse when the economy improves and all the nurses who came back to full-time will either go per-diem or retire indefinitely.
My opinion of nursing (after a year in critical care) is mixed. On one hand, nursing has opened up a LOT of educational opportunities for me and I've seen and done things that not very many people would have a chance to do. No day goes by where I don't learn something new- especially because I practice in a teaching hospital where continued learning and education is expected of everyone (and many of the docs are willing to teach concepts, ideas and information to nurses). I'm frustrated, however, with the fact that, as a nurse, I'm expected to do EVERYTHING- from basic nursing tasks to attending rounds on my patients to transporting them to constantly monitoring them to giving their meds to assisting with procedures to informing family members of the treatment plan and updating them on the patients condition (and much more). I feel frustrated sometimes that doctors and NPs can just step back, assess the patient, order treatment and expect it to be done in a certain period of time. In other words, it frustrates me that the "big picture" of what's going on with the patient (and how to treat it) is blurred by the plethora of tasks I have to complete. This experience is why I'm thinking about going back to grad school for a MSN with a NP specialty (or possibly CRNA) someday.
So "shoot for the stars" -as they say- and go to a 4-year undergraduate institution and plan on getting into a post-baccalaureate and/or graduate program (whether it be in nursing or medicine) after that. Don't settle for less if you don't have to.