Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system?

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Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a major pre-req into entrance into the nursing program. One of the individuals completed the exam and recieved it back, and took the test back to the table where she distributed all the correct answers to them, in which they in turn proceeded to change all their previous answers. In absolute boldness, one of the girls said quite loudly, "what is the answer to the last one?", and the first individual read off the answers to her. The proffessor does not proctor the exams. He simply hands them out and grades them as soon as you complete them, and then hands them back with the right answers corrected in. He does not wait until each student has completed the exam to pass out the results. Nor does he cruise the classroom to make sure that everyone is done before begining a new lecture. I felt that this was a major loophole that obviously a table of students had taken advantage of. In his syllabus he states that SUSPICION of cheating will result in failure of the exams.

Because at least 15 other students witnessed the cheating as well, we held a brief meeting about the issue and I told them I would address the professor since I was sitting next to the students and saw the entire situation. After class myself and another student asked to speak to the professor in confidentiality. The accussed students had caught wind earlier that they were going to be outted and had actually stuck around in the classroom to see who the individuals were. After they left, I told the proffessor what I and the other students had witnessed. He shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly and told me there was nothing he could do since he didn't see it happening and that next time I would have to tell him while it is happening. He also stated "and if they cheated on the last exam it didn't help them much because they made a 55". They recieved a 98 (which is an A) on today's test that they cheated on. The proffessor regarded me with an "I could careless" attitude and proceeded to pack his things. He did not ask me any questions about who else was involved, raised no concern that he is passing CHEATING students with an A into a highly competitive medical program who are in direct violation of the Colleges Code of Ethics. As I left with the other student, we noticed that the accused were actually waiting on us to leave and procceeded to follow us and threaten us for telling on them. They cautioned that I had better mind my own business and continued with verbal harrassment to the point I had to use profanity to stop them from FOLLOWING ME TO MY CAR. This incident has been brought to the proffessors attention by more than one occasion and he has not taken any steps in changing the testing process.

There is going to be a pending investigation involving the students and the facult member who is now KNOWINGLY aiding them in their attempts to fraud the system. Nursing is a limited access program and is based solely on a point based system. Only sixty of 250 students are admitted each fall and to think that a group of UNQUALIFIED individuals are cheating their way to an open slot is a dissapointment to the College's Mission Statement. We do NOT NEED THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH! These are not leaders, these are not nurses. How would you feel if the doctor who was about to diagnose you had cheated is way through medical school? We have got to crack down on academic dishonesty and stop allowing it to continue because it's easy to turn the other cheek. How would you feel if you sacrificed work and family to dedicate yourself into getting into the nursing program, only to find out that there weren't enough slots, and the people who got in CHEATED their way in.

I am sorry for the detail but it is the only way to explain the severity of the situation. As professionals in the field who have worked very hard to get where you are, what would you have done?

Psalm 37:

Fret not thyself b/c of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. (For the tattle-teller)

For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. (hopefully the habitual cheaters)

Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. ( acceptance into nursing school)

If you are truly a child of God you have nothing to worry about.

If I was one of the judges of admission I would flip a coin to determine who should fill the last slots. Why b/c when I was in nursing school most of the peers I knew cheated on at least ONE PRE REQ. test. Somehow they've managed to survive the program b/c we are all alumni class of "xx. Remember you put ethics aside.

As for the unlucky atheist, life is unfair.

If you dont understand what I'm saying feel free to ask questions.

Okay, Reebok, I've been reading through this thread. Give me a break, man! Paragraphs 2 & 3 are hogwash. I was one of the many nurses on this BB who grew up abused and impoverished. I, too spent time in foster homes. I was misguided by many, moving from state to state over the years. Bottom line, though, I made a choice. I saw how the "every man for himself" philosophy didn't work. I chose to behave ethically. I chose to educate myself. I continue to choose to behave ethically. And yes, I do my report my mistakes - it's a matter of patient safety! I'd rather get "called on the carpet" about a problem I'd caused rather than lose my license for not looking out for my patients & causing one to die.

A student who cheats in prerequisite classes will frequently fail out of the nursing program. This amounts to a waste of time, energy & money. If this person does make it through the program, he/she is at greater risk for failing their board exam, another waster of time, energy & money. When this person passes the board exam, you will see this person exit nursing quickly because of the difficulty of the work and/or incompetence.

I turned in a fellow student while in nursing school. He copied the work our group had created (his own group had kicked him out). As a group, we went to the faculty member (who was also head of the program). He had the attitude that he'd had a hard life & we should help him out. We suggested the bootstrap method. He was allowed to continue, graduate & pass the boards. He didn't stay in nursing long & was a poor nurse until he left the field.

And that's why we don't tolerate cheaters.

A student who cheats in prereq classes will frequently fail out of the nursing program. Did you mean a student who frequently cheats in prereq classes will fail out of the nursing program. Or did you mean a student who cheats in prereq. classes will flunk out of nursing school shortly after the student's acceptance?

I am glad to see that inspite of your trials/tribulations youve managed to keep yourself in the right direction. This isn't the Tonys or Oscars so I guess your reward is in heaven.

This amounts to time,a waste of energy and money. Whose time, energy, and money is it wasting? Certainly not yours. Cheating increases their odds of failing the board exams. Does it increase your odds of failing the exam as well. No! So why are you worried about it?

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Reebok- Religion does not even come into play when applying to colleges!! I have never ever been asked what religion I am and frankly it does not matter.

Also once again you have changed the argument and now tried to spin doctor it. I would hate to be in your class with a bunch of cheaters- that is sad that you all had to resort to that. A real accomplishment- something to tell your grandchildren for sure!

As far as Psalms- not everybody reads the bible and not everybody believes in it. Please, please don't go so low as to play the religion card and then act like we all are stupid with your you can ask me line....

Reebok- you are missing the point- why should someone who got a better grade by cheating than someone who didn't get the last slot in a Nursing program? The non-cheater earned it on his/her volition but the cheater does not even deserve to be there!

Hello!

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.
unsub - its just gotten too far fetched for words.
Specializes in Nursing Ed, Ob/GYN, AD, LTC, Rehab.

You need to talk to your Dean asap and also talk to campus security. These students can not follow you around yelling at you, you have a right to saftey on campus and to not have to deal with this. You did the right thing just work your way up the chain!

Specializes in Nursing Ed, Ob/GYN, AD, LTC, Rehab.
Psalm 37:

Fret not thyself b/c of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. (For the tattle-teller)

For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. (hopefully the habitual cheaters)

Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. ( acceptance into nursing school)

If you are truly a child of God you have nothing to worry about.

If I was one of the judges of admission I would flip a coin to determine who should fill the last slots. Why b/c when I was in nursing school most of the peers I knew cheated on at least ONE PRE REQ. test. Somehow they've managed to survive the program b/c we are all alumni class of "xx. Remember you put ethics aside.

As for the unlucky atheist, life is unfair.

If you dont understand what I'm saying feel free to ask questions.

huh? what does atheist have to do with it?

Reebok- you are missing the point- why should someone who got a better grade by cheating than someone who didn't get the last slot in a Nursing program? The non-cheater earned it on his/her volition but the cheater does not even deserve to be there!

Hello!

He didn't 100% go off who deserved to be accepted in the program. He said who would survive the program and who should be chosen to fill the last slots. He denied ethics as well. He also gave an example of probability by saying there are some cheaters who would be worst nurses there would be some cheaters that would be better nurses. 1rst of all some cheaters had to survive the program and pass the boards in order to even be called nurse in the 1rst place. That's why I said I would flip a coin.

Obviously you are missing the pt. Why should the mega rich get a tax brake, and the poor have to pay taxes. Why should people be harassed at airports b/c of the actions of a few terrorists. Why should I be stopped frequently while driving just b/c I look younger than 17 even though I earned my drivers license. I'm trying to come up with better analogies but I can't right now. But I'm sure you can. I dont want to underestimate your intelligence.

Reebok- Religion does not even come into play when applying to colleges!! I have never ever been asked what religion I am and frankly it does not matter.

Also once again you have changed the argument and now tried to spin doctor it. I would hate to be in your class with a bunch of cheaters- that is sad that you all had to resort to that. A real accomplishment- something to tell your grandchildren for sure!

As far as Psalms- not everybody reads the bible and not everybody believes in it. Please, please don't go so low as to play the religion card and then act like we all are stupid with your you can ask me line....

He changed the argument in a way in which it was impossible to win. I changed it in such a way that if he was a christian it would be hard to argue with much I said, but I did say that the argument would never stand in the court of law. (in that area you can also plug in college admission criteria)He used my own premises against me. I used his choice of words against him. He didn't say who deserved to be in the program. He said who would survive the program. Who should be chosen?

So who deserves to get in? Is it the smart person who earned his grade or the person smart enough to cheat at the right time?

And the answer is....(DRUM ROLL)

The person who is smart enough to earn his grade and wise enough to know when to choose his/her battles. This battle was not hers especially when the professor didn't care,esp when its only one pre req testt, esp. when there's no direct potential for patient harm and no potential for negative reputation for school. The battle it's not yours it's the Lord's.

huh? what does atheist have to do with it?

Who should get in?

Atheist: Who ever is luck enough?

CHristian: Whom ever has God's favor?

So if your not a christian, you may be atheist. If your not lucky you wont get in. So therefore the denied applicant may be an unlucky atheist. Life is not fair. I cant really describe it. Just read the post I posted before that one.

Specializes in Tele, ICU, ER.

This thread has gotten painful to read LOL...

I DO remember folks in nsg school cheating, I remember it being reported and nothing done about it, and I remember how annoyed were those of us who put aside other life things in order to study hard and take tests without cheating. Sure does leave a sour taste when you bust your butt, read those pages and pages of tedious text books, and get a B, when you watch the cheater get an A and get away with it.

But if the cheating is reported, and nothing is done because the instructor "didn't witness it directly", what ya gonna do. Study hard, pass nsg school and be the best nurse you can be. Cheaters don't answer to me, in the long run.

And on the question of admissions - the one who worked hard and passed withOUT cheating should get in. Does that mean they will? Nope. Sad, that.

Specializes in Cardiac Care.
Who should get in?

Atheist: Who ever is luck enough?

CHristian: Whom ever has God's favor?

So if your not a christian, you may be atheist. If your not lucky you wont get in. So therefore the denied applicant may be an unlucky atheist. Life is not fair. I cant really describe it. Just read the post I posted before that one.

Sir, your posts have veered so far off topic and off point that it is impossible to engage in literate, intelligent debate.

The OP posted that she reported a cheater and was threatened physically.

You responded by making an accusation that she reported the cheaters in order to get them expelled, thereby increasing her chances of admission.

You followed up with various posts that stated unequivocally that you were right and everyone who disagreed with you was wrong, admonishments for everyone to get off his or her high horse, and finally a disjointed discourse that mentions Christianity, Atheism, The Tony's and The Oscar's.

What you don't seem to understand is that most people here believe in the concept of right and wrong. Cheating is wrong. Reporting it is right. Whatever your personal belief system is, this would have been covered in an Ethics course, which I assume you took as a graduate of a BSN program.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread has denigrated into one of the most ridiculous and idiotic threads ever posted, and it's certainly not worth my energy to read and respond further.

Carry on.

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