ethical dilemma with a DNR last night

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so this situation is over and done with, but it's weighing heavily on my mind. i would like any input on what you guys think....

i had a patient last night with metastatic CA (originating in the bladder) who was on home hospice care. apparently he was admitted the night before with a bowel impaction, was disimpacted and was being given IV hydration for comfort before being sent back home with hospice.

the patient had signed a refusal of treatment form to say that he did not want CPR or intubation should his heart stop. day shift nurse passes on to me in report that we still need to obtain the physician's signature on the paperwork and a written order to honor the DNR. i spoke with my charge nurse at the beginning of the shift and she said we cannot honor the DNR that he signed without the doctor's order, she said we can call in the morning, he is stable and has no changes (our charge calls docs for night shift--and it has to be a supervisor plus 2 RN's to take any DNR order over the phone). i thought if a refusal of treatment was signed for anything, it meant don't do it, right?

pt was AAOx3 for the time i had him, got scheduled tramadol and one dose of 2mg dilaudid. vital signs were stable except he flip flopped being tachy-brady, which was no change since his admission the night before. at around 2:30am, the monitor tech calls to say he bradyed down to 47 and tached back up to 140 and back down again, just wanted me to be aware it was more frequent now. i went to check the patient, he was resting quietly and still breathing. i called the nursing supervisor to ask the what if question of what this man goes into an arrest, do we really need to code him? she said yes. i wanted him to go in peace if it was his time. his wishes were made clear by him and he was supposedly a hospice patient at home.

at 3am, the pt went into a 3rd degree AVB. i went to check the patient again and saw he was taking agonal gasps. his color had changed to very dusky and he had a very weak pulse. he was hardly perfusing. so with a very heavy hand, i pressed the code button and stood there like a dummy. i didn't want to start CPR, i didn't want to open his airway, i wanted to hold his hand and honor his wishes. i waited as the team arrived with the ER doc and i explained the situation to them. the ER doc was kind of just as perplexed as i was about the whole thing but he said i did the right thing in calling the code, he said he really needs the approval of the primary MD to terminate ACLS.

so here we are, code in progress on a supposed hospice patient with DNR wishes and metastatic CA. CPR in progress, i finally after 3 attempts and 10 minutes later, got a hold of the primary who spoke with the ER doc and told him to cease the code blue. where was the hospice paperwork? why didnt the doctor write a DNR under his admitting orders?

i was really in tears at this point. everyone kept saying i did the right thing. i don't feel like i did. i did what my supervisors told me was legally correct, with their stance being that the family could come back and say the pt was not AAOx3 at the time when the refusal of treatment paperwork was signed.... but the patient was on hospice care at home! is hospice rescinded or something if the patient gets admitted to an acute care area???

legally correct, yes. morally correct, no. i feel like the man was assaulted and battered and that we did not honor his wishes just cover our own tails. the man was suffering and in pain and wanted to die naturally. we did not intubate or defibrillate, and he only had one round of meds, as the ER doc was conservative in treatment bc of the situation.

i feel awful about it. why so many technicalities for this poor man? where did the line get drawn or the ball get dropped or whatever? why isn't a refusal of treatment good enough? and what's the deal with hospice pts in acute care? i am so confused. i feel like it was a code that never should have happened.

ugh.

i need to go to sleep.

I definitely would have taken the monitor off this patient. While he may, legally, be a "code", the only purpose the monitor could serve would be TO CODE the patient. Even if you still need the attending's order for DNR/DNI, the hospice plan shouldn't change for this patient (that is, comfort measures--you are not trying keep this man alive), and telemetry doesn't fit with that.

That being said, you did a great job. It really frustrates me that end of life issues become obfuscated in the realm of acute care--yes, patients become critically ill before they die. To reverse their code status--or at least, to not communicate every element of care (from monitoring to treatment) to the patient or the proxy is ludicrous. And suddenly, right at the moment of your death, you have a whole bunch of strangers running around you thinking about saving their own behinds and whether or not they're going to get sued.

It is unintelligent.

I could be wrong here, but it seems that the admitting physician really dropped the ball... he/she should have taken care of the necessary paperwork upon admission. What a shame. I would feel the same way had I been in your shoes... unfortunately, you had to make the best of a terrible situation. Yet another example of nurses getting caught in the middle... it sounds like you did a great job though, really.

you can thank the judicial system for this mess!!!

Specializes in EMS, ER, GI, PCU/Telemetry.
I definitely would have taken the monitor off this patient. While he may, legally, be a "code", the only purpose the monitor could serve would be TO CODE the patient. Even if you still need the attending's order for DNR/DNI, the hospice plan shouldn't change for this patient (that is, comfort measures--you are not trying keep this man alive), and telemetry doesn't fit with that.

That being said, you did a great job. It really frustrates me that end of life issues become obfuscated in the realm of acute care--yes, patients become critically ill before they die. To reverse their code status--or at least, to not communicate every element of care (from monitoring to treatment) to the patient or the proxy is ludicrous. And suddenly, right at the moment of your death, you have a whole bunch of strangers running around you thinking about saving their own behinds and whether or not they're going to get sued.

It is unintelligent.

see, the patient's admitting orders were admit to PCU with telemetry. we have a med-surg floor and an oncology floor that he could have gone to, but he was specifically admitted to PCU with tele. i read the entire chart like 100 times. no order for continue hospice, no order for DNR, no order for anything but IVF, an enema, a few cardiac meds, pain meds and reglan. and

even if a patient comes in with a state of FL DNR, we do not honor it. our hospital (HCA owned, if that tells you anything) has our own paperwork that must be completed for the pt to be considered a DNR--a verification of incapacity signed by 2 MD's, a withdrawl/withhold of life support signed by 2 MD's, and a certificate of terminal or vegetative condition signed by 2 MD's. you don't have that, you get coded. i live in an area where medical malpractice lawyers make a killing..... people sue for any and everything around here. it is so unfortunate to me that because of this process, the patient fell through the cracks.

we do not as nurses have the autonomy where i work to do much of anything without an MD order, not even collect a stool or urine sample for instance, we do have standing orders for some things such as AMI, CVA, etc.... d/c tele is definately not one of them. i would have been roasted for taking the monitor off this man without any orders.

anyway, i was thinking about bringing the process to the attn of the ethics committee. if a pt is on hospice at home, they should automatically go to med/surg or oncology--not PCU with tele.... and if they have their own DNR, why the heck can't we honor it? i know the doctors and hospital are afraid of being sued.... but the man was dying before i even laid eyes on him.

thanks all for the input. i am still wondering from any hospice nurses--what is your protocol when your pt's get admitted to the hospital? are they still on hospice care? do you visit them there?

Specializes in Hospice, LTC, Rehab, Home Health.

I am a hospice nurse in FL and it is my understanding that DNR's are portable -that is they follow the patient from location to location. As long as they are signed by the patient or his/her legal HCS/POA and a licensed MD/DO they are good to go. We honor hospital DNR's all the time. If the patient goes to the hospital for aggressive treatment then the hospice benefit must be revoked, however, if it is palliative treatment then the hospice benefit remains in force but the Hospice must pay the hospital bill, because insurance will cover either aggressive tx. or hospice but not both. It's too bad the patient wasn't/couldn't be admitted to a hospice IPU where his constipation could have been treated without the resulting problems. OP, you did the best you could under the circumstances, but an ethics committee review sounds like a good idea to me.

I am a hospice nurse in FL and it is my understanding that DNR's are portable -that is they follow the patient from location to location. As long as they are signed by the patient or his/her legal HCS/POA and a licensed MD/DO they are good to go. We honor hospital DNR's all the time. If the patient goes to the hospital for aggressive treatment then the hospice benefit must be revoked, however, if it is palliative treatment then the hospice benefit remains in force but the Hospice must pay the hospital bill, because insurance will cover either aggressive tx. or hospice but not both. It's too bad the patient wasn't/couldn't be admitted to a hospice IPU where his constipation could have been treated without the resulting problems. OP, you did the best you could under the circumstances, but an ethics committee review sounds like a good idea to me.

FL is transitioning to a POLST State.

Please, if you don't know what a POLST is, learn about it and work to get it accepted in your State.

It's a wonderful tool that can save so much time, questions and confusion.

http://www.ohsu.edu/polst/

Specializes in NICU, Post-partum.

To me, the patient didn't need a DNR signed.

The fact that he signed a paper refusing care should have been enough. ANY patient that is of sound mind can sign such a document, and any physician there should have been able to make that determination.

If I was the family, I would have been livid.

I also, would have refused to pay any portion of the bill....b/c all of that care was performed without patient consent.

Well first of all you did the right thing despite it not necessarily being the right ethical thing for the patient. Secondly, this sounds like a policy and procedure problem that needs to be addressed. I would write your DON about the whole situation and how something failed this patient in his final minutes. In reality, you did what you legally should have but truly, the family could be just as litigious about the assault on a dying man. Perhaps the admitting MD should be counselled by administration and possibly have standardized admission orders that have a big old DNR box that can be checked so that everyone is covered.

In our hospital and our state, if DNR is written on an order sheet it is technically an order to be followed even though we have an additional DNR order that must also be signed at some point. And on our standard admission orders form there is a code status line, and if it says DNR it is a valid order. Again, we get the extra form to CYA but it is an order.

Sounds like your state? hospital has very stringent rules (2 MDs to sign a DNR?) but something has to change to prevent this from happening.

This just confirms that I will die at home, AWAY from any nurse or hospital. They interevene and then cease to intervene for legal reason, while I'm subject to ET tubes, chest compressions, shocking, and everything else that goes on.

Specializes in Med/Surge, Psych, LTC, Home Health.
see, the patient's admitting orders were admit to PCU with telemetry. we have a med-surg floor and an oncology floor that he could have gone to, but he was specifically admitted to PCU with tele. i read the entire chart like 100 times. no order for continue hospice, no order for DNR, no order for anything but IVF, an enema, a few cardiac meds, pain meds and reglan. and

even if a patient comes in with a state of FL DNR, we do not honor it. our hospital (HCA owned, if that tells you anything) has our own paperwork that must be completed for the pt to be considered a DNR--a verification of incapacity signed by 2 MD's, a withdrawl/withhold of life support signed by 2 MD's, and a certificate of terminal or vegetative condition signed by 2 MD's. you don't have that, you get coded. i live in an area where medical malpractice lawyers make a killing..... people sue for any and everything around here. it is so unfortunate to me that because of this process, the patient fell through the cracks.

we do not as nurses have the autonomy where i work to do much of anything without an MD order, not even collect a stool or urine sample for instance, we do have standing orders for some things such as AMI, CVA, etc.... d/c tele is definately not one of them. i would have been roasted for taking the monitor off this man without any orders.

anyway, i was thinking about bringing the process to the attn of the ethics committee. if a pt is on hospice at home, they should automatically go to med/surg or oncology--not PCU with tele.... and if they have their own DNR, why the heck can't we honor it? i know the doctors and hospital are afraid of being sued.... but the man was dying before i even laid eyes on him.

thanks all for the input. i am still wondering from any hospice nurses--what is your protocol when your pt's get admitted to the hospital? are they still on hospice care? do you visit them there?

Wow.... anywhere that I've worked, pretty much all we needed was one written order from the doctor that said "patient is DNR".

see, the patient's admitting orders were admit to PCU with telemetry. we have a med-surg floor and an oncology floor that he could have gone to, but he was specifically admitted to PCU with tele. i read the entire chart like 100 times. no order for continue hospice, no order for DNR, no order for anything but IVF, an enema, a few cardiac meds, pain meds and reglan. and

even if a patient comes in with a state of FL DNR, we do not honor it. our hospital (HCA owned, if that tells you anything) has our own paperwork that must be completed for the pt to be considered a DNR--a verification of incapacity signed by 2 MD's, a withdrawl/withhold of life support signed by 2 MD's, and a certificate of terminal or vegetative condition signed by 2 MD's. you don't have that, you get coded. i live in an area where medical malpractice lawyers make a killing..... people sue for any and everything around here. it is so unfortunate to me that because of this process, the patient fell through the cracks.

we do not as nurses have the autonomy where i work to do much of anything without an MD order, not even collect a stool or urine sample for instance, we do have standing orders for some things such as AMI, CVA, etc.... d/c tele is definately not one of them. i would have been roasted for taking the monitor off this man without any orders.

anyway, i was thinking about bringing the process to the attn of the ethics committee. if a pt is on hospice at home, they should automatically go to med/surg or oncology--not PCU with tele.... and if they have their own DNR, why the heck can't we honor it? i know the doctors and hospital are afraid of being sued.... but the man was dying before i even laid eyes on him.

thanks all for the input. i am still wondering from any hospice nurses--what is your protocol when your pt's get admitted to the hospital? are they still on hospice care? do you visit them there?

This is DEFINITELY a case for the ethics committee. I think that's a fabulous idea. If you do meet with them, I'd love to hear how the meeting goes. As far as your question about protocol--we don't have one at my hospital either. I can envision this exact scenario occurring on my floor. It almost has, in fact. Only I have been lucky enough to not have to call the code.

Without a protocol, this scenario is inevitable, and the nurse is in an impossible position. I dread this occurring, and I'm sorry you had to go through it. Perhaps a meeting with the ethics committee will result in change--maybe some good can come of this.

Specializes in nephrology.

I agree that this is a good one for the ethics comittee.....and I think the admitting doc should be slapped for not sorting a DNR out on admission....it should of been a priority!!!!!

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