Doctor Asked For A "Kind" Nurse

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Let me preface this thread by stating a few things:

1. I'm not posting this thread to bash certain religions, I'm posting to vent, gain understanding, and get a variety of views.

2. Whatever your belief, please respect the beliefs of others.

That said, I admit to not understanding how parents can stand by and watch their child bleed to death.

Teenager, throwing up blood for 2 days, H & H 6.1 and 17.0. Platelets 14. WBC 1.0. Pancytopenia. A religion that does not allow blood products or transfusions. Essentially we will be watching this patient die. As the majority of us know, some fresh frozen plasma, units of packed cells, the ability to SAFELY do an EGD and the patient would be discharged home in about 2 days.

Instead, in 4 hours when the next CBC was done, the Hgb was down to 5.8.

I overheard the attending doc asking the charge nurse to assign a "kind" nurse as this was a "difficult" case. I felt that was unnecessary, because as hard as it is for all of us to watch this, we still treat the patient and family with compassion.

My main point: I'm hoping someone could explain to me, how in the world can you stand by and allow your child to die?

Harsh question, and I'm sure an age-old question, but I do not and can not understand it.

ty for the onfo, Fab

very informative

Originally posted by sunnygirl272

what bashing? and please correct the inaccuracies?

ok..i see you posted an article..but what bashing?

ps..is anyone else finding that allnurses is farging slooooooow tonight? no other sites....just here....ugh..may go to bed out of frustration....

I'm not finding it particularly slow, Sunny. Don't go to bed! Stay and plaaaay!

Fab4Fan . . . my comments were not meant to bash.

Where does the prohibition for not using blood products comes from?

Thanks.

Fab4,

I don't think there is JW bashing going on as much as there is a struggle to understand. Honestly, I don't understand--it seems to me, and I don't intend to bash, if JW's have restrictions against blood the religion should require vegetarianism, as there is not a way to remove all blood from meat. BUT, even though I don't understand I truly respect the right of JWs and other religions to their beliefs, even if they are different from my own.

I also respect an adult's right to make their own decisons even if I don't agree with them. I expect that the parents in this situation brought their child to the hospital hoping that something could be done--as we all know many lay people have unrealistic ideas of how much modern healthcare can accomplish.

At the same time, those of us in healthcare feel the need to "do something" when a patient is gravely ill--it is very difficult to watch a patient suffer, for whatever reason.

LVRN- my sympathies, this is a difficult situation for all concerned, and the "kind nurse" remark was uncalled for.

Originally posted by Stargazer

I'm not finding it particularly slow, Sunny. Don't go to bed! Stay and plaaaay!

you musta waved a magic battery op'ed wand..cuz it's ok now..lol...do gotta go to bed soon,though...it's after 11 here....

Fab4, that explains part of my question, but why will JW not accept blood transfusions? I don't understand why that would be wrong. I do appreciate parents being able to make choices for their children. They brought the child in because there might be some other treatment that the doctor could perform.

It was the comments about "why even bother..." etc. (I had someone tell me to "just stay home and bleed to death", so I guess I get a little touchy sometimes).

Anyway, this is the official position, and is in no way meant to prostelytize:

JW position on blood

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

Couldn't the patient at least have an EGD and maybe find the source of the bleed?

5.8 is not too horribly low for an 18 year old to recover from, unless he continues to bleed profusely. There's a few other options for him. But stopping the source is paramount.

I hear your frustration loud and clear. We lsst a young man in our NeuroICU from a major trauma. Whose to say blood products wouldn't have saved him.

I'm not sure about the "kind" nurse thing, but definately don't want an angry frustrated nurse either.

Thanks for posting the link, Fab

Please check out the current Nursing Spectrum magazine -- the cover article is about bloodless surgery and medicine.

I found the verse that JW's use for their refusal to take blood.

Acts 15: 28 and 29

"For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay no greater burden on you than these requirements: You must abstain from eating food offered to idols, from consuming blood or eating the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. If you do this, you will do well. Farewell."

I just plugged in Jehovah's Witnesses and found lots of info.

Is this accurate Fab4Fan? Help us out here. Thanks.

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