Doctor Asked For A "Kind" Nurse - page 17
Let me preface this thread by stating a few things: 1. I'm not posting this thread to bash certain religions, I'm posting to vent, gain understanding, and get a variety of views. 2. Whatever... Read More
Apr 19, '03This is a hard issue. But religious beliefs must also be respected. Even if we disagree. I've run into families who will not even listen to required teaching (informed consequences of the decision to refuse) They are angry by the time I see them...too many docs/nurses have attempted to coerce them, as they see it.
The only cases I know of where the child has been treated against the parents' religious wishes are cases where abuse and neglect can be proved. This issue may override the religious conviction. But all the proper channels must be followed.
The patient has the right...to refuse. It isn't easy to watch the consequences of refusal, though, is it. Particularly with a child who is not making his/her OWN decision.
I would bet a healthcare worker who has an ethical/moral dilemna providing care in this type of situation could legally ask to be excused from the case.
Apr 19, '06Hi
I don't know if you get a TV show called All saints" over there but they had this very issue on last night. The daughter was hit by a four wheel drive and father said no blood products. However fiance begged them to give blood as she was no longer a practising JW. She finally bled out and died on OR table because the guardianship board took too long to make a ruling. It's a hard call too. All the staff was in favour of giving blood and felt that the fiance should have the final call as she was engaged and over age of consent and was not carrying a 'No blood products" card in her wallet.. Are there any other religions that have this belief?Last edit by greatshakes on Apr 19, '06
Apr 19, '06*ALERT First off, this is a 2 yr old thread. ALERT* (And I didn't bring it back up)
About the worse turn of events I've ever witnessed was a 21 yr old from a JW family unconscious and needing a tranfusion. Parents said NO!
Live-in BF said she wasn't practicing and actually, didn't speak to her parents over it. (They actually didn't know she was living with a guy.)
Doc was going to obey Parent's wishes as NOK until BF pulled the trump card:
She's my common law wife.
So, judge got involved, what a mess. Bottom line: BF proved that she lived with him - an obvious violation of the religion - and Parents couldn't prove she was actively practicing. They couldn't provide any members to vouch for her current participation in church. BF was granted legal right to speak for her.
After the fact: when she came around - she completely denied being his common law 'wife' , "He's just my bf. . ."
She also denied being a JW and was glad she got the blood: "That's my parent's religion; not mine."
So, do the ends justify the means???? These kinds of ethics are so tough.
Timothy.Last edit by ZASHAGALKA on Apr 19, '06
Apr 19, '06I'm an Oncology nurse...deal with death and dying (and things that are far worse) all the time. Can't even begin to wrap my mind around letting ANYONE die like this, much less my own child....eeee!
Apr 19, '06Can this thread be closed before it turns into a free-for-all bashing someone's faith? I might not agree with Scientology, either, but it would be inappropriate to denigrate it. (Besides which, it is a very old thread, and the matter has probably long since been resolved.)
Faith is very important to some of our patients; you cannot underestimate how much it can play into a patient's recovery. It's really inappropriate to criticize so severely something you don't understand, no matter what that person's faith may be.
Apr 19, '06PR NurseRN1
But are we criticising really?. From what I gathered we were just discussing the differences between customs and as nurses we will be called on at times to exercise discretion. I know at one lecture years ago on multi-culturalism I asked about our attitudes towards FGM or female circumcision and the entire auditorium was told "it doesn't happen" by the lecturer. You should have heard the comments from students. This person was in a highly regarded educational role and this is what she is telling students. We are all going to see things we don't like or agree with out in the health field. We may have to accept it but we need to know the customs that particular people embrace and still serve them with dignity and respect. That is why I asked if any other religion held the view of not accepting blood products.
Apr 19, '06I think the old posts (which I just went back and read, one by one) answer the new questions amply, and there's no point in asking that which has already been answered.
Just read the old posts.