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- by lenoxat325 Jan 17, '11Hello to all,
I am a nursing student and have a question about giving "Bad News". I am always a straight forward person, but have an issue when it comes to giving bad news to patients or family's. I know in nursing you have to have "Thick Skin" and I do, but telling someone that there child is going to pass away is hard to me. The question is to nurses really have to give Bad News or is that placed on the licence physician? From what I am told is that is not in the scope of a nurse to tell a patient or family certain things (ex. You have cancer, your wife didn't survive her injuries, your child is not expected to live, ect).. If you have some examples of bad news you have given, and how you did it I would greatly appreciate it.
- Jan 17, '11 by ErinSI work as a hospice nurse and while I do not give initial diagnosis, I often am giving additional bad news. Such as, yes your baby is dying. Yes your wife's cancer is progressing. No, your husband will not be here for his birthday. Also, on occasion I am the first person who has discussed a diagnosis of being terminal. For example, an oncologist will tell a patient they have pancreatic cancer and hospice will be called. Then I go in, and I am the first person who has mentioned that to qualify for hospice you are expected to live 6 months or less. So yes, we give bad news all the time. It just is not a diagnosis.
- Jan 17, '11 by Flo.I don't break the news of the terminal disease / accident. But I do reinforce the gravity of the situation. Like "The majority of people diagnosed with xyz have a long and difficult course." or "now would be a good time to tell your mother anything you feel needs to be said."
- Jan 17, '11 by dthfytr"Thick skinned? Oh maaaan, I just wasted 30 years! They told me I just had to be human!
Theoretically, the doctor should be the one giving bad news, and the nurse could always refer people to the doctor for answers. In reality, some doctors have all the tact of fresh skunk roadkill. My point of view comes from the ER, but should help you. In a teaching hospital sometimes I'd take a resident by the hand and go to the family room.
Starting with what the family already knew, I'd give a brief rundown of the events that occurred since, for instance, EMS picked up their loved one. CPR, breathing tube, shocked 75 times, iv and drugs, when we'd done everything there was to do and no response from the patient, no signs of life etc, the Dr concluded there was nothing to gain by continuing and your loved one was pronounced at 0715.
This is the method I learned in the ACLS book, answers the family's questions before they're asked, and seems most compasionate overall to me. It also helps prepare the family if they're to see the deceased still intubated, iv'd, and the inevitable mountain of trash on the floor. I make it a point to leave the trash, supply carts, etc to reinforce that great effort went into the event. Blood gets cleaned up always before viewing.
Short question, long answer. Hope it helps, and good luck with nursing school. If anybody has a better suggestion I'm open to suggestions.
- Jan 17, '11 by niteowlrn29The time that I had to do it was when a patient was on hospice care in the hospital so the loved ones knew what was happening but its still very hard to call the family. In one occasion I had already spent some time with the family and got to know them a little bit. But I called and said, I'm calling you to let you know mrs. sos and so passed a few minutes ago. They were okay but it's partly because they expected it. Its not easy at all to tell family or a patient bad news. I just try to be empathetic.
- Jan 18, '11 by nurse2033I was a medic before RN and have given bad news many many times. RNs aren't usually the ones but you could be. You have to start by preparing them with something like "I'm afraid I have some bad news". This will get their attention and allow them to prepare, you can't leave them waiting though and must press on immediately with the news. Just say it like it is, "your Grandpa has died" or whatever.
- Jan 18, '11 by lenoxat325Thanks for all of the advice
- Jan 18, '11 by highlandlass1592I've had to do it frequently. It really depends upon the facility you are at. I work in critical care, so it's not uncommon to have to tell family their loved one isn't going to survive. It also taught me how to have end of life discussions....exploring what family members may want for their loved ones. At one facility, they had specially trained nurses who helped with this situation.
I think one thing that is important is honesty and compassion. A person can tell when you really don't care. I've cried with so many families, it's not funny. A few years ago, when I lost my husband I was especially sensitive to losing patients. I'll never forget one gentleman, in his 70's..been married for 35 years. He lost his wife after having surgery...I had just lost my husband two weeks earlier. He just kept saying "I never got to say good bye" I bawled with him, offered him all the comfort I could, stayed with him for quite a while. Told him I understood some of his pain, I had lost my husband suddenly and I had never gotten to say goodbye either. He appreciated the time I spent with him, going over the details, what would happen next. I took extra time preparing her for viewing and he really appreciate that too. He sent a card to my supervisor thanking me.
Compassion is really important in these situations. Honestly, no one is usually trained in how to approach these topics but we are all usually trained in how to "do everything" to try to keep someone alive. I really think that is a shame. Learning how not to be afraid to discuss end of life issues is really a skill all healthcare providers need to develop. For a long time, on my unit, when we withdrew care...many of my peers wouldn't take those patients. I always did. I feel it is a privilege to make sure someone's last hours on this earth are the best I can make them. It takes a toll on me but it's a bill I'm willing to pay.
Not sure if that was what you were looking for, I think I drifted a bit. Sorry
- Jan 18, '11 by mentalhealthRNLegally giving a prognosis or diagnosis is not within the scope of practice for any nurse-- (well except an NP) The only place that is hard to avoid is LTC as the docs are not always there to give the news. However in acute care in should always be a doc/provider.