Do Nurses Earn Big Money? You Decide. - page 13

Am I the only one who becomes at least mildly irritated whenever a random individual finds out that someone is a nurse and proceeds to say, "You're rolling in the big bucks!" To keep things... Read More

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    @ Ntheboat2

    for some reason I'm not getting a "Like" button your posts, so I' waiting my time letting you know by typing this one

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    @ Ntheboat2

    Never mind. Must've been a glitch. Just hit the buttons!
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    Op says that "Carla" has less disposable income now making $50k a year and no government assistance than she did making $12 an hour with government assistance. Government paid 100% of food (Food stamp card), housing (Section 8), medical (medicaid) and child care. Leaving her only unavoidable responsibility being utilities... So yes, her entire $12 an hour (minus taxes and utilities) was disposable income whereas after she got her RN, she only had $300 a month disposable income. Really, "Carla" was assisted to a level WELL past a working RN now that I think about it...
    That's not actually how it works. Assistance doesn't automatically mean free. When I was a single mother I wasn't even making $12 an hour and I didn't qualify for section 8 because it's based on income. That was fine with me...I'm just saying. Some people who get section 8 actually pay several hundred dollars rent. If the house is $800 per month, they might be paying $600 of that....or they might just be paying $100. We can't know.

    Same with childcare. I got childcare assistance, but it wasn't free. I paid about $75 a week instead of the $200 it actually cost. So, we can't assume that "Carla" only had to pay for utilities. That's exactly WHY some people choose NOT to work. If she quit her job and didn't work at all then section 8 would've paid 100% of her rent. That's exactly how the system that's meant to help ends up being abused. The more you work, the less you get. That's logical to most of us, but it's not logical to people who are working their butts off and staying broke while the people around them (who are also in "the system") get to stay home all day and don't have to pay for anything.
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    Well call me liberal (I always thought of myself a conservative.) But, I don't begrudge those kids getting chips, or fed with food stamps, and I certainly wouldn't want to trade places with any of them, even if it meant a free home. I am perfectly happy to work for what I have, but It's cold outside tonight, and those children didn't ask to be born to system users and abusers. So that's how I live with the current system; I couldn't live with putting a child in the cold with nothing to eat- just to get one or two "sorry" people off the line. I know a single mom like this- and it's her children who I worry about, not her poor choices. I balk at the fact that I discharge people daily who are "wrecks" but can't get disability. If they have children, it's a horror story. So do I like the net and all it brings- NO could it run better- YES. Do I want it ended? NO. And by the way, to heavier regulate it would cost more tax dollars. I believe taking care of the weak in our society is what makes the USA Great.
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    single nurse who has made that choice so far. and will factor kids in with my pay rate. as should everyone having children.... but that is off topic.
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    ...and I totally agree that the more children, the more they get. But, it's the child in that situation. If a single Nurse looses their job, by all means, get in line. It's the child with no choice, no ability to change it, and totally innocently in need that I advocate for- and in this situation I sure wouldn't mind the Nurse who has paid in for years to SS to get help as well. For those- I don't mind the pay coming out of my check, or charitable giving. Because but by the grace of God -or good luck -I have been blessed.
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    That's true, but at the same time you can't factor in everything that's gonna be thrown at you in life. Even responsible people with good jobs who have children can find themselves in situations they never imagined. Husbands cheat...become drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. (wives do too). All of a sudden you're a single parent with a 1,000 or more daycare bill. Either that or you stay with the which case you'd also be judged.

    I know a lady who had a perfectly healthy child and her husband and she both had good jobs, nice cars, a nice home, etc. The kid got sick one day and ended up being in the hospital for several months and coded once. They both lost their jobs, let their cars go back, lost their home, and ended up on food stamps. Did they stay there? No. The point is - things happen no matter how great you are at making choices. You just never have a clue why someone is in the situation they are in so it's best not to assume.
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    yes, I know all about luck and those without it. But let's not pretend that was all it was for many. I grew up surrounded by poor people . Some were in bad situations because of many bad,stupid, or selfish choices. generations of this. I don't cry/care about money used for charitable or gov assistant programs because it is a drop in the bucket. It is not going to decrease. But it isn't always a case of bad luck or misfortune. If you can't support yourself now, you have no business having a child and expecting the burden to fall on others. period. I recently read an article on how many young people are choosing not to have children due to financial reasons. I suspect many of these are people that wouldnt qualify for help anyway
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    It's all relative, I suppose. I make less than $9.50 an hour. I also qualify for no government aid whatsoever. I barely scrape by each month, and I am fairly frugal. I will be TRIPLING my income when I graduate in two weeks. I will easily be able to afford all of my bills, buy a new car, and then next year once my student loans are mostly paid off, I'll be able to afford the one thing I've always wanted, a horse. I'll be making more with my ADN, than my mother does as a therapist with a master's degree. For the amount of education required, nurses make good money.
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    I'm not saying that's the reason for most or even many (see my previous post). I'm just saying you can't assume that everyone in a bad situation made a series of bad choices. When someone is on food stamps, housing, etc. and then gets pregnant? Yeah, probably not so smart. Some people don't think that way though because like you said....there's been generations of bad choices. You have parents of teenagers letting their boyfriends/girlfriends stay all night or even live with them. Teenagers of course are going to want to "stay all night" with the "love of their life" if their parents will let them. Unfortunately, there are parents who actually allow that crap...because their parents let them...etc. I was completely expected to be a teen mom and not from my own doing. It would've been easier to become a failure coming from generations of that though. Trying to break a bad cycle is hard because not only is there no support, but there's often resentment. "oh, you think you're better than everyone." My mom would actually babysit for my sister so she could go to the club, but not for me so I could go to work or school. I think the big picture has a lot more in it than just an individual's choices.

    Those choices happen in "high class" families also. It just so happens that the parents, grandparents, etc. have money to enable the choices. Ever watched "Teen Mom"? The name Chelsea/Adam might ring a bell. Poor people seem to be judged more harshly for their poor choices, even if they're the same or not as bad as a rich person's choice. That's why you see a poor man on the news who spent 40+ years in prison for stealing a TV and then you see some white collar crook who stole millions being "reprimanded."

    I went through a second degree program and it was full of people with master's degrees who had made a series of good choices, but then lost their jobs and qualified for food stamps and/or medicaid. There just seems to be a stigma that if you get food stamps, medicaid, childcare assistance....or whatever....then you made bad choices, had kids when you shouldn't have, etc, etc. That IS common, but with the economy the way it is now, it's definitely not always true.
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