DEBRIDE the SCABS - page 2

Replacement nurses arrive to prepare for possible strike Alternately titled.... SCABS-R-US on the move...... Replacement nurses arrive to prepare for possible strike Maura Lerner ... Read More

  1. by   Chellyse66
    "I have to say I am suprised by some of you guys comments. The Nurses going on strike are leaving pts that need them. You know the beds will still be full, and leaving people who need your help is worse than someone crossing a picket line to provide help for them. just my 2 cts "


    True the patients will still be there, but as was stated by Julie they had prior notice number one, and secondly if the SCAB nurses are making 40/hr what is the Hospital paying the agency and how much is it costing them for training and housing?
    The opportunity if as the article stated "We want our Nurses back..." if they really want them back mathmatically they would save money and lives by compromising on the demands at the table.
    Be realistic do not buy into the "do it for YOUR patients mentality". Are the CEO's really concerned with the patients in this scenario? I don't think so....Money and budgets are the target, and of course manipulating the public into believing the Nurses that walked out are the culprits of the forseeable future damages ,to the company and patients. Wrong, they had ample chance to provide adequate salaries and working conditions long before the strike.

    Hey I propose that all Scab Nurses should have to wear a Scarlet letter like they are proposing for sex offenders....Yeah the Scarlet Scab....LOL
  2. by   berry
    I dont think they are wrong in striking but, I also dont think the nurses that go in and pick up the pts that are left behind are wrong either.
    >It has 10 days notice of the start date of the strike & it has all that time to clear out those beds & cut services. If it cant do that or doesnt want to do that because it will lose money,<
    I dont think it matters how much notice they have pts will still be in need of help and nobody should be looked down upon for providing that help.
  3. by   Chellyse66
    Berry,
    You have a point about no one should be looked down upon for providing help, BUT what of the context of that help. I could site many examples of this type of help,and let's face it... these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free?

    [ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Chellyse66 ]
  4. by   berry
    >these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free<

    I dont know anybody with the ability to take off and help out for free. Everyone knows this will come to a end. They can't afford to staff paying this rate and will have to concede to atleast some of the demands placed by the nurses, but until then they have to maintain a standard of care and keep the doors open. They have to get the #'s of people they need, and to do this they have to pay the $$$ simple supply and demand. I would be a fool to think all the nurses crossing lines did it for unselfish reasons but if somebody is willing to pay the money someone is going to take it.

    Nurses crossing the picket line will not hurt the nurses striking in any way. They are not the adminstrations final answer only a short term solution to problem that is ongoing.
  5. by   willie2001
    I just don't see how the care that patients will receive from these SCAB nurses can be consider to be safe. It is not safe for any one nurse to work six 12 hour shifts in one week. I'm sure that most of these are very competent nurses. I am a very competent nurse, but after three 12 hours shifts, I am wasted. I would be braindead after six!!! I would have to think that the potential for mistakes will be quite high and that patients will be at great risk. Add to the long hours an unfamiliar working environment and a hostile atmosphere, that potential for error increases. Let's hope and pray that there are no patient lives lost.
  6. by   Charles S. Smith, RN, MS
    Originally posted by Chellyse66:
    <STRONG>Berry,
    You have a point about no one should be looked down upon for providing help, BUT what of the context of that help. I could site many examples of this type of help,and let's face it... these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free?

    [ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Chellyse66 ]</STRONG>
    Crossing a picket line is an individual decision, just as is choosing to strike. There is opportunity for both groups of people. Deriding either group serves no purpose toward strengthening our profession. There are many nurses who believe that striking is reprehensible and many nurses who believe crossing picket lines is reprehensible. At the end of the day, each group gets what it wants out of the situation. Hopefully, the patients are well cared for. I personally do not criticize the motives of either group. However, I find the labels we use for both groups and the vitriolics attached to both groups very disturbing and demeaning. Is there anyone of us who has the right to dictate the choices someone else makes for her/his lives? I think not.

    regards
    chas
  7. by   fiestynurse
    Fortunately, there will be others out there with principals that will not cross a strike line. Many patients, visitors, truckers who deliver the hospital supplies, will not cross the strike line. If they can't depend on their fellow nurses, others will honor and respect what they are fighting for. Thank God, these striking nurses have the support of the general community. I don't know how SCAB nurses can live with themselves after such betrayal!
  8. by   OC_An Khe
    Berry,
    NUrses who cross picket lines are definetly hurting their fellow nurses and patients also. The resources spent on these scabs,are resources that come from nursing services and patients. Just ask anyone familiar with the results of the RN strike in Nyack NY and its effect on the hospital.
    Support to Brockton and Miineappolis/St Paul RNs. If every RN donated a half hour of pay.
    to the respective strike funds it would make their jobs even easier. Anyone know the links to these strike funds?
    The RN's have the right to strike just as the scabs have the right to cross. You need to repect the right, not agree with it.

    [ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: ocankhe ]
  9. by   berry
    &gt;The RN's have the right to strike just as the scabs have the right to cross. You need to repect the right, not agree with it.&lt; ocankhe this is exactly what i was saying.....I was just suprised to see so many people who did not see both sides of the issue
  10. by   fiestynurse
    Yes, I agree this is a free country and they do have the right to be a SCAB, but I do not have to respect it! I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR SCABS!! There are times in life when you just have to take a stand and choose sides, and this is one of those times. Quit giving me these wishy washy discussions about seeing it from the SCABs point of view and how they are just trying to take care of the patients. Blah, Blah, Blah...Either you are in, or you are out! The time to decide is now!

    [ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: feistynurse ]
  11. by   bassbird
    ocankhe, here is the MN nurses union homepage. MN nurses

    The address listed to send money for the strike fund is:

    If you would like to contribute to a strike fund to help nurses who may be walking the picket lines, please plan to do so after the May 31st deadline. Make your check payable to MNA Strike Fund and send Attn: John Lose, 1625 Energy Park Drive, St. Paul, MN 55108.

    Thanks for the support.
  12. by   RNPD
    -jt, you are eloquent, factual, and to the point as usual.

    What all these people who are pro scabs or defensive of scabs don't seem to understand:

    the HOSPITAL CAUSES the strike-not the nurses. The strike occurs when the HOSPITAL refuses to negotiate further and announces that the nurses will have to accept their proposed contract or strike.

    the SCABS ENABLE the strike-that is they enable the hospital to carry on business as usual-or at least the illusion of it-and not lose money during the strike (not always factual as seen by the Nyack strike). They also PROLONG the strike-no scabs, no strike. The hospital would be forced to NEGOTIATE FAIRLY with its staff, who are willing to compromise with some issues, but not any longer with patient or staff safety.

    Once the strike occurs, personalities and egos enter in. According to local papers the former CEO of Nyack, as well as spokespeople, were arrogant and rude, and some outright lied about the costs. It became a battle of wills and the loser lost big. Thank God it wasn't the nurses. All the mean and nasty comments to the effect of "we don't need them (Reg staff) because there are plenty of nurses out there", "the replacements are so good they are actually better than staff" (as noted by the Brocton spokesperson), "everything is running smoothly, we hardly know they are gone", and most especially the hurtful & insensitive comments by doctors who have no sense whatsoever of team spirit and could care less who is following their orders, so long as they make their money with the least possible effort.

    The pain due to lack of respect that is inflicted by a strike is never forgotten. No one wins-not the nurses or the hospital, and certainly not the scabs. Because money isn't everything in this life-you need self respect as well as the respect of your peers. Once you have that, no one can ever take it away.
  13. by   Charles S. Smith, RN, MS
    Originally posted by berry:
    <STRONG>&gt;The RN's have the right to strike just as the scabs have the right to cross. You need to repect the right, not agree with it.&lt; ocankhe this is exactly what i was saying.....I was just suprised to see so many people who did not see both sides of the issue</STRONG>
    I am not surprised at all that there is little understanding and/or tolerance for both sides of an issue. These attitudes are merely extensions of the need to control others, demean others, and make oneself look important at the expense of someone else. It happens in every aspect of life. We fear to explore another perspective, because we fear we might have to change our own.

    chas

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