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Replacement nurses arrive to prepare for possible strike

Maura Lerner

Star Tribune

Wednesday, May 30, 2001

A small army of replacement nurses has started to arrive for training in the Twin Cities, as a dozen hospitals in the area brace for a probable walkout Friday by more than 7,700 registered nurses.For now, hospital officials are doing their best to keep the incoming nurses out of the public eye. They've scheduled orientation sessions for today and Thursday at secret locations and won't say where the nurses will be housed.

"It's a security thing," said Linda Zespy of the Children's Hospitals of Minneapolis and St. Paul."It's just the way that it's done with replacement nurses," Zespy said.So far, no new talks have been scheduled. But the hospitals called on the Minnesota Nurses Association on Tuesday to let its members vote on the latest contract offer, which the union's negotiators rejected last week."The hospitals have heard from some of their nurses that they would like the opportunity to vote on the proposals," said Shireen Gandhi-Kozel, spokeswoman for the Minnesota Hospital and Healthcare Partnership.She said four of the six negotiating teams, which represent nurses and managers at the 12 hospitals, agreed on staffing, which is one of the thorniest issues.

The main stumbling block was money, she said, with the hospitals offering a 19.1 percent increase over three years and the union seeking a 35 percent increase."We're asking the Minnesota Nurses Association to put the proposals to a vote," she said.But the union said it has heard no such request from its members. "That's the intent of the hospitals, to override the negotiating committee," said Jan Rabbers, the union's spokeswoman. "But what they'll find is that the membership is the one that's driving the demands." On May 17, the nurses voted overwhelmingly to reject the hospitals' contract offers, which included an 18 percent raise over three years. But nurses say staffing levels are a major issue because they're often stretched too thin to care for patients safely.Hospital officials said replacement nurses would need a day or two of training before replacing the striking nurses Friday. They scheduled the sessions off-site, at secret locations, to keep them away from any possible harm.

"I can understand why they wouldn't want to disclose the location and have 10, 20 media people descend on them, as well as picketing going on outside," said Gandhi-Kozel. "The primary focus is to make sure that they receive education, and we need to have a productive environment for that to happen." Hospital officials said that the replacement nurses, hired by agencies that specialize in strike staffing, have a minimum of two years' experience in hospital care and an average of five to 12 years in their specialty areas. "Whether we're talking about physicians or nurses, we have national standards," said Dr. William Goodall, vice president of regional medical affairs at Allina Health System, which owns four of the affected hospitals. "So if you are a degreed and licensed RN, it's highly likely that you're competent to begin with." Thousands of replacement nurses will be arriving, although the hospitals won't say just how many. They will be expected to work 12-hour shifts six days a week, hospital officials said.

In return, they'll get $40 an hour, plus free housing, transportation and other perks.At HealthEast's three hospitals, 340 visiting nurses are expected to replace 1,100 striking nurses, many of whom are part-time. And the two Children's Hospitals expect 300 replacement nurses to help fill in for the 1,200 or so who will go on strike. To help orient them, officials have brought ventilators, IV systems and other hospital equipment to the off-site training location, Zespy said. "It won't be the same; we want our nurses back," she said. "But in the meantime, we'll assure the high-quality, safe care that we're known for."-- Maura Lerner is at [email protected] .

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Christina Terranova RN, LNC

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Berry: It is an emotionally charged issue. When you are employed and working as a nurse, you are expected to give quality care and you are responsible for that care because you have a license. However, the care you give is contingent upon management decisions such as staffing, nurses working when they're too tired, unfamiliarity with their areas, etc. Once nurses fall into the trap of being totally responsible for the patients in the hospital, the administration takes a back seat and it becomes incumbent upon the nurses to break their backs for the patients on their own. When you are employed by a hospital, you do not have that much autonomy. If there is a lawsuit involving your care, it is your problem for the most part. The staffing issues that the Brockton nurses are fighting for could affect all of us. They need the support of all nurses.

"I have to say I am suprised by some of you guys comments. The Nurses going on strike are leaving pts that need them. You know the beds will still be full, and leaving people who need your help is worse than someone crossing a picket line to provide help for them. just my 2 cts "

True the patients will still be there, but as was stated by Julie they had prior notice number one, and secondly if the SCAB nurses are making 40/hr what is the Hospital paying the agency and how much is it costing them for training and housing?

The opportunity if as the article stated "We want our Nurses back..." if they really want them back mathmatically they would save money and lives by compromising on the demands at the table.

Be realistic do not buy into the "do it for YOUR patients mentality". Are the CEO's really concerned with the patients in this scenario? I don't think so....Money and budgets are the target, and of course manipulating the public into believing the Nurses that walked out are the culprits of the forseeable future damages ,to the company and patients. Wrong, they had ample chance to provide adequate salaries and working conditions long before the strike.

Hey I propose that all Scab Nurses should have to wear a Scarlet letter like they are proposing for sex offenders....Yeah the Scarlet Scab....LOL :D

Specializes in ER/SICU.

I dont think they are wrong in striking but, I also dont think the nurses that go in and pick up the pts that are left behind are wrong either.

>It has 10 days notice of the start date of the strike & it has all that time to clear out those beds & cut services. If it cant do that or doesnt want to do that because it will lose money,

I dont think it matters how much notice they have pts will still be in need of help and nobody should be looked down upon for providing that help.

Berry,

You have a point about no one should be looked down upon for providing help, BUT what of the context of that help. I could site many examples of this type of help,and let's face it... these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free?

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Chellyse66 ]

Specializes in ER/SICU.

>these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free

I dont know anybody with the ability to take off and help out for free. Everyone knows this will come to a end. They can't afford to staff paying this rate and will have to concede to atleast some of the demands placed by the nurses, but until then they have to maintain a standard of care and keep the doors open. They have to get the #'s of people they need, and to do this they have to pay the $$$ simple supply and demand. I would be a fool to think all the nurses crossing lines did it for unselfish reasons but if somebody is willing to pay the money someone is going to take it.

Nurses crossing the picket line will not hurt the nurses striking in any way. They are not the adminstrations final answer only a short term solution to problem that is ongoing.

:eek: I just don't see how the care that patients will receive from these SCAB nurses can be consider to be safe. It is not safe for any one nurse to work six 12 hour shifts in one week. I'm sure that most of these are very competent nurses. I am a very competent nurse, but after three 12 hours shifts, I am wasted. I would be braindead after six!!! I would have to think that the potential for mistakes will be quite high and that patients will be at great risk. Add to the long hours an unfamiliar working environment and a hostile atmosphere, that potential for error increases. Let's hope and pray that there are no patient lives lost. :eek:
Originally posted by Chellyse66:

Berry,

You have a point about no one should be looked down upon for providing help, BUT what of the context of that help. I could site many examples of this type of help,and let's face it... these people are not doing it "Just to help out" there are big money incentives involved and that changes the context from the start. If that was the case why not "Just volunteer" for Free?

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Chellyse66 ]

Crossing a picket line is an individual decision, just as is choosing to strike. There is opportunity for both groups of people. Deriding either group serves no purpose toward strengthening our profession. There are many nurses who believe that striking is reprehensible and many nurses who believe crossing picket lines is reprehensible. At the end of the day, each group gets what it wants out of the situation. Hopefully, the patients are well cared for. I personally do not criticize the motives of either group. However, I find the labels we use for both groups and the vitriolics attached to both groups very disturbing and demeaning. Is there anyone of us who has the right to dictate the choices someone else makes for her/his lives? I think not.

regards

chas

Fortunately, there will be others out there with principals that will not cross a strike line. Many patients, visitors, truckers who deliver the hospital supplies, will not cross the strike line. If they can't depend on their fellow nurses, others will honor and respect what they are fighting for. Thank God, these striking nurses have the support of the general community. I don't know how SCAB nurses can live with themselves after such betrayal!

Specializes in Critical Care,Recovery, ED.

Berry,

NUrses who cross picket lines are definetly hurting their fellow nurses and patients also. The resources spent on these scabs,are resources that come from nursing services and patients. Just ask anyone familiar with the results of the RN strike in Nyack NY and its effect on the hospital.

Support to Brockton and Miineappolis/St Paul RNs. If every RN donated a half hour of pay.

to the respective strike funds it would make their jobs even easier. Anyone know the links to these strike funds?

The RN's have the right to strike just as the scabs have the right to cross. You need to repect the right, not agree with it.

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: ocankhe ]

Specializes in ER/SICU.

>The RN's have the right to strike just as the scabs have the right to cross. You need to repect the right, not agree with it.

Yes, I agree this is a free country and they do have the right to be a SCAB, but I do not have to respect it! I HAVE NO RESPECT FOR SCABS!! There are times in life when you just have to take a stand and choose sides, and this is one of those times. Quit giving me these wishy washy discussions about seeing it from the SCABs point of view and how they are just trying to take care of the patients. Blah, Blah, Blah...Either you are in, or you are out! The time to decide is now!

[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: feistynurse ]

ocankhe, here is the MN nurses union homepage. MN nurses

The address listed to send money for the strike fund is:

If you would like to contribute to a strike fund to help nurses who may be walking the picket lines, please plan to do so after the May 31st deadline. Make your check payable to MNA Strike Fund and send Attn: John Lose, 1625 Energy Park Drive, St. Paul, MN 55108.

Thanks for the support.

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