Crossing the line of professionalism - page 4

Is there anything wrong with becoming personally involved with a client? How do you as a nurse maintain professional relationships with your patients? What are some warning signs that the... Read More

  1. by   fab4fan
    It does seem that students today expect experienced nurses to just give them the answers. There was another post a while back asking for a list of nursing dx for a pt wiith certain illnesses. I suggested that she think (God forbid) about all the problems that could arise with the various dx...it really would not have been difficult to come up with 3 dx. I got a reply somewhat along the line of, "Give me a break, I'm a new student...yada, yada, yada."

    Well,...we all were new students at one time, and most of us experienced nurses managed to do fine without the help of the internet. If you are constantly asking for other people to give you the answers, you never develop your critical thinking skills; when you are in the clinical setting, you MUST have these...lives are at stake.

    I don't believe in hazing/eating our young, but sometimes these students bring some of the hostility on themselves. I would be happy to help any student, but I do want to see that the student has made some effort to find the answers before asking for help. I don't think that's unreasonable.
  2. by   SmilingBluEyes
    You know, guys, I got a nice PM from the OP and she did say she was sorry to have mislead anyone. I think her intentions are good, like others said, and I for one, wish all students well. I have no problem helping students (and without a consult fee even)! Just ask is all I say. Everyone has the right to know when they are participating in a study or project here, is just my belief....but....No harm was done in the long run and like I said I am not even upset w/her, just the reactions to my original request for honesty.
  3. by   llg
    Originally posted by fab4fan
    There was another post a while back asking for a list of nursing dx for a pt wiith certain illnesses.
    I remember that question. As you can imagine, I chose NOT to get involved in that thread.

    llg
  4. by   SmilingBluEyes
    one word : DOENGES. rofl.
  5. by   mattsmom81
    DOENGES?? Translation please...LOL!
  6. by   SmilingBluEyes
    the author of THE definitive nursing care plan book that got me all the way thru nursing school. no internet for me; just Marilyn Doenges.
  7. by   fab4fan
    Well, bottom line for me: We are not here for students to "download" our knowledge/experience. I will gladly help someone who has done the footwork but needs some help pulling it together. I will not help someone who doesn't feel the need to do that basic groundwork.
  8. by   SmilingBluEyes
    ahhh careful fab4 you are eating your young now...rofl.
  9. by   fab4fan
    Well...it is lunchtime, after all! :spin:
  10. by   Erinkate2959
    I am a nursing student who frequently visits this website to get seasoned and experienced nurses opinions and points of view on specific topics. After reading this thread, I think I will stick to the student forum. Some people here seem to be perpetuating every negative stereotype of the nursing profession. As for students not going to the library, I would be more inclined to think that they are attending poor educational institutions rather than generalize that all nursing students are asking you to do their homework for them. Obviously some people have forgotten what it is like to be a student. I think attitudes like these are what drive students away in herds from choosing nursing as a profession.
  11. by   Enright
    I'd like to add another perspective....I am a government employee (RN) in a state agency. My phone rings all day long with high school and college students essentially wanting me to do their research for them on a wide range of topics (having nothing to do with my role with the agency). I am amazed at how little prep they do before they call or drop me an e-mail....and they have extremely exacting expectations (I want 1500 words from you, I need it by tomorrow, etc.).

    On a related topic, because I have an unusual job, I often speak to nursing school classes about my job. It is an interesting job and has great hours, weekends and holidays off, etc. I get a million requests for "how can I get a job like that?" ...I explain the process for state employment, that it is competitive, but that I'll walk anyone who is interested through it and help in any way I can. Of the 30 or 40 people who have shown enough interest to follow up, not one can get beyond the fact that a panel interview is required...they all say the same thing "hey, I'm a nurse, they should be lucky to get me!".

    I agree with fab4fan and llg and smilingblueyes, if people are upfront, then you can respond or not, as you wish.
  12. by   SmilingBluEyes
    Originally posted by Erinkate2959
    I am a nursing student who frequently visits this website to get seasoned and experienced nurses opinions and points of view on specific topics. After reading this thread, I think I will stick to the student forum. Some people here seem to be perpetuating every negative stereotype of the nursing profession. As for students not going to the library, I would be more inclined to think that they are attending poor educational institutions rather than generalize that all nursing students are asking you to do their homework for them. Obviously some people have forgotten what it is like to be a student. I think attitudes like these are what drive students away in herds from choosing nursing as a profession.
    Noooooope have not forgotten ----it was 1997. You miss the point of what I have said here, as I can see clearly. See, way back in the dark ages (1990s), I had NO internet use whatever at school and no forums like this one to access from home......I just did it to ole fashioned way......spending HOURS in the library pouring thru microfiche and old journals/books. When interviewing or seeking info from experienced nurses, they always knew exactly my purpose and what I was after. Anyhow, I have said it before; I have no problem helping students when they have done some of the leg work themselves and are able to tie it together w/our help. NO problem whatever. I wish you and all students good luck. But remember, time comes soon enough when you have to think for yourselves. Some are waiting to watch you fall...I will be there to help if you only ask.
    Last edit by SmilingBluEyes on Jan 30, '03
  13. by   llg
    I guess I should re-state my position, too, as others have done. Like the other experienced nurses in this thread, I have no objections to helping students. However, I do think we have a right to know when our responses are being recorded and reported in a class paper. If my responses are to be included in a write-up of a survey, then my consent should be obtained -- that's a basic right of any research subject.

    As for students asking me for help with their papers ... Again, I don't mind helping a student who has made a legitimate effort and gotten stuck. I just hate to be abused by students who think I am there to do their basic school work for them. There is a difference.

    It's a shame that some students (perhaps like Erinkate2959?) can't see the difference. That "eat their young" phrase is waayyy overused -- sometimes used as an acusation any time someone younger doesn't get what they want the easy way. Asking that students state that our responses are being used for a paper is not "eating our young." It is asking that they live up to their obligation to be honest and up-front about their intended use of our efforts. Requiring that students put forth a little effort before they give up the search and just ask us is requiring that they learn to use the literature and think for themselves, thus learning what they need to learn to be good nurses. It is maintaining high standards that we should be proud of, not feel guilty about.

    llg
    Last edit by llg on Jan 30, '03

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