Career switch - from 6 figure salary - page 3

Just wanted to share my situation for those of you who are thinking of changing careers -- you are not alone! I currently work in the IT field and make 108k a year (in NJ). I have a 5 month old... Read More

  1. by   rnmaven
    Congratulations on your decision! I was surprised to see such a mix of replies but I know that everyone's situations are different.

    My suggestion to you........if your husband has good benefits just do perdiem and get experience. You'll maximize the dollars paid to you and slowly gain experience without missing out on your children. Once you have experience, just do agency work (again.....if your husband can carry the benefits) If you're flexible in working a few hospitals (easy to do in NJ) you'll never be short of work and you'll also continue to gain valuable experience. You'll never be faced with having to miss holidays, school functions, etc. because you'll be in total control of your schedule.

    I've done it for 4 years now and this year I'll do over $100,000 without really killing myself.

    Good luck! And welcome to the boards.......you'll find good info here!
  2. by   Hopegirl
    Quote from rnmaven
    Congratulations on your decision! I was surprised to see such a mix of replies but I know that everyone's situations are different.

    My suggestion to you........if your husband has good benefits just do perdiem and get experience. You'll maximize the dollars paid to you and slowly gain experience without missing out on your children. Once you have experience, just do agency work (again.....if your husband can carry the benefits) If you're flexible in working a few hospitals (easy to do in NJ) you'll never be short of work and you'll also continue to gain valuable experience. You'll never be faced with having to miss holidays, school functions, etc. because you'll be in total control of your schedule.

    I've done it for 4 years now and this year I'll do over $100,000 without really killing myself.

    Good luck! And welcome to the boards.......you'll find good info here!
    So a new grad can work per diem? I think this would be ideal for me once I graduate...

    TIA-J
  3. by   CA CoCoRN
    Quote from Shezam!
    JOB SECURITY?

    Did I miss something?

    I've never had any job security. Everyplace I've ever worked plainly states on their app they can fire you without notice.

    I am in an "at-will" state.

    There is no job security. If there is I haven't seen it.
    But DID you get fired?? And even if you did (I hope for patients sake that you've only quit jobs...getting fired is SEVERE), you were able to secure another position with relative ease??

    I know I've never wanted for a job, whether registry or staff.
    The facility I currently work in is unionized, but I have worked other places which were non-union and I didn't have a problem.



    as for the sentiments of the OP: I indeed like Nursing's flexibility. I type this as I sit at home, painting my fingernails. Well, they're dry now, but still...

    I will work tomorrow through Friday, but I've had yesterday and today off. If you think about the things "normal 9-5'ers" have to cram into a weekend, and we who work unconventional schedules can get it done whenever, esp during the week, the flexibility is there. I don't have to cram everything into one Saturday (because nothing business-like is open on Sunday). I don't necessarily have to take time off of work to schedule doctor/dentist, etc, appts.

    Yes the holiday/weekend thing sucks. But there are drawbacks to every job. And the wonderful thing is that I DON'T have to stay in the hospital, at the bedside for the rest of my life. I love the acuity, but if/when there comes the point where patient care gets "old", I'll leave, but still be able to be a nurse, from another angle.
  4. by   HUP RN
    Quote from Hopegirl
    So a new grad can work per diem? I think this would be ideal for me once I graduate...

    TIA-J
    Just wanted to comment on per diem option for a new grad. A lot of people are suggesting it, but to a new grad????? First of all it is extremely unlikely that you can be hired as per diem right out of nursing school because all jobs will require you to have at least 1 year experience. Second of all if the nursing shortage at your hospital is so bad that you are hired as per diem you only get 2 days of training!!!! Then you are on your own! I am not joking here. So to get your desired 12 wk training you will have to take a full time job and probably will not get a choice to pick your hours because you will be following your preceptor's hours. In a lot of cases I see that would be dayshift 8 hrs-5 days a week. Good luck!
  5. by   ClimbingNurse
    A lot of the above posts made me fuming mad! Melly, a lot of these people are angry at life, not nursing. :angryfire

    The most laughable comment has to be about nursing not having any job security because we are usually employed "at will" meaning we can be fired any time. Newsflash: 99% of the people in this country are employed "at will." You clearly have no idea what it means to have no job security.

    I used to work in IT. To give you an idea, imagine that you've just spent 20 years becoming a kickbutt ER nurse. And then imagine that all the hospitals on the planet just stopped doing emergency medicine. That's what IT is like. (Just substitute ERP Software for ED Nursing.) In nursing, even if your ER closes, you can always go across town and get a new job.

    When was the last time someone posted on this board about not being able to find a job?

    Oh, and the people who complain about not having enough flexibility. Hello?! Do you know what it's like to work 6 12's? With no overtime compensation? For weeks on end? That's what many of my IT jobs were like.

    And then of course people complain about the money. Well, a lot of them are probably not willing to work OT. What do you expect for 36 hours a week? No one is going to pay you 6 figures working 3 days a week with a bachelor's or less. No one.

    People have these fantasies in their heads about what a working day is like for people with "normal" jobs. They have this infuriating notion that there are people out there who put in 40-hour work weeks in stressfree jobs and pull down 6 figure salaries. And even better, they think these people can take time off anytime they desire. And the best part: They think they have job security.

    And a final piece of advice: Don't take advice from anyone over the internet.
  6. by   career2
    here is the down side of it for you nurses that don't understand:


    no overtime
    no union. no regular hours. the it profession is totally unregulated. this means workers have no protections from management abuse at all. we are regularly on call seven days a week 24 four hours a day. even mds can not be worked this hard! when managers plan badly it is standard practice to put the it staff on 60 hour work weeks till they catch up.



    no future

    smart, educated it workers are available in india for about 10k per year. anyone in the it industry that does not do management or sales will be out of work soon.



    pay

    nursing pay is going up-up-up. don't know about jersey but rn pay here is easily $30 to $40 per hour. the east coast is sure to follow. it workers are taking 40k salaries cause we're so desperate.



    desk job

    i am kind of intimidated by the idea of working on my feet for 12 hour shifts but desk jobs take their toll as well. ever spent 12 hours at a computer terminal. try doing this every day for ever. anyone that does not get regular exercise on their own time really suffers.



    summary

    i know its hard when people jump into your profession because its "hot". this happened to it during the dot com boom. anyone that could spell html was a web designer for a while. at least nurses need a license. hope i can milk enough money from it to pay for nursing school.



    thanks for listening









    Quote from hup rn
    my advice is :stay in it profession! nursing as not as flexible as you think. the job is extremely hard and does not pay near as much as it jobs. as a nurse and a mother of a 1 yr old daughter i have tried to work weekday nights, so i could stay home with my daughter. i did not feel safe sending my child to daycare before she turned at least 1 yr old. after working a 12 hr night, i came home so tired that i just was not able to care for my child! my solution was to work a weekend program. my husband stayed home with our daughter, so that i could work weekend nights and sleep during the day. this was beneficial for our daughter. but not for our family. i feel that i have missed out on having a time with my husband and daughter as a family. by working weekends and holidays i have missed all the special events and all the family functions. now that my daughter is 1 yr old i am looking for a day care for her and a new job for myself. if i were you, i would stay in it profession. my husband is an it professonal and i envy his normal hours and weekends he has off. my husband's employer allows him to work from home when necessary. talk to your employer and maybe you could balance out your work and family time.
    p.s. i find it very hard to believe that you would trade 6 figure salary job in air-conditioned office, sitting on your fanny all day long and having a 1 hour lunch breaks for working 12 hr nights running on your feet with minimum or no breaks and a 60% salary cut on top of all! good luck!
    :hatparty:
  7. by   roxannekkb
    Quote from career2
    here is the down side of it for you nurses that don't understand:


    no overtime
    no union. no regular hours. the it profession is totally unregulated. this means workers have no protections from management abuse at all. we are regularly on call seven days a week 24 four hours a day. even mds can not be worked this hard! when managers plan badly it is standard practice to put the it staff on 60 hour work weeks till they catch up.



    no future

    smart, educated it workers are available in india for about 10k per year. anyone in the it industry that does not do management or sales will be out of work soon.



    pay

    nursing pay is going up-up-up. don't know about jersey but rn pay here is easily $30 to $40 per hour. the east coast is sure to follow. it workers are taking 40k salaries cause we're so desperate.



    desk job

    i am kind of intimidated by the idea of working on my feet for 12 hour shifts but desk jobs take their toll as well. ever spent 12 hours at a computer terminal. try doing this every day for ever. anyone that does not get regular exercise on their own time really suffers.



    summary

    i know its hard when people jump into your profession because its "hot". this happened to it during the dot com boom. anyone that could spell html was a web designer for a while. at least nurses need a license. hope i can milk enough money from it to pay for nursing school.



    thanks for listening

    well, if bush et al have their way, nurses may be denied overtime pay "at will" by employers. there have been many discussions over this nice little law that is slated to pass. employers will be under no obligation to pay time and a half. as it is, many nurses do not receive any overtime pay at all for missed breaks and staying over to finish charting. the hospital says, "you had more than enough time to do your charting," and "it's up to you to schedule your breaks."

    as far as outsourcing, foreign nurses are being insourced in. hospitals and others are clamoring for relaxing immigration to allow them in. that's the way to fix the nursing shortage, not by improving working conditions. and unlicensed personnel are being trained to perform nursing duties, like giving meds and catherizing patients. nursing is being deskilled. it is far cheaper to bump up the skills of a cna, use lpns/lvns, than hire on rns.

    so don't be so smug about nursing's rosy future. there are many issues going on right now, none of them particularly optimistic.

    as i stated in an earlier post, one should not enter nursing merely because it seems like a "good opportunity," or think that they can have convenient hours, or for any other reason than that they truly wish to work as a nurse. otherwise, it will be sheer misery.
  8. by   career2
    They are usually pretty nice about volunteering to work Christmas. Then make sure they get their holdiays off. Moslems could help too
  9. by   PJMommy
    If nursing is in your heart, then GO FOR IT!!!

    I was making $80K a year telecommuting in IT (and that's in the Midwest where $80K goes a loooonnnnggg way). That's right..."sitting on my fanny" in a tee-shirt and boxer shorts at my living room PC. I was miserable. I hated my job.

    I did an accelerated BSN program in 11 1/2 months (check into them if you already have a bachelors degree). One year of hard work and studying and now I am a nurse. I love it. I love my job. I come home and...yes, my feet hurt and I'm tired...but I am HAPPY! I make less than half the money I did before but it doesn't matter. That money wasn't buying me happiness. Now I come home and know I did work that actually mattered.

    I did this with four kids (who love it that mom is home and happy more often). I work nights - 12 hour shifts. Meaning that 2-3 days a week, I have to sleep and need child care for the little ones. That's still better than 5 days a week of child care...and definitely worth it for those four days off every week. Yes, I work holidays but so what? I can celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve or Mother's Day on the Saturday before. Kids don't care! They just want mommy to be happy.

    If you go into nursing for good money or weekends/holidays off - you will be disappointed. But if you go into it because your heart is tugged in that direction -- you'll be happy. PM me if you want more info...

    PJ
  10. by   rnmaven
    I honestly don't know what they'll hire new grads on as.........but at the very worst, you could do a full three month orientation program that most hospitals (at least in NJ) offer new grads and then when you finish that just shop around the hospital and see what's out there as far as per diem work. Usually, if you are willing to work nights they'll take you for whatever you'll give them for time. If you're real flexible, just offer to be a per diem float..........it's great expereience.

    In order to work agency you need 1 to 2 years of experience. But that is a way to maximize your earnings and keep your time commitment low.

    Just some thoughts based on my own experiences.

    Good luck!:hatparty:
  11. by   career2
    [QUOTE=roxannekkb]
    "Well, if Bush et al have their way, Employers will be under no obligation to pay time and a half."

    Im not talking a higher rate for the overtime. In the IT industry as "exempt" employees we can work 80 hours a week and get the exact same paycheck as when we work 40. Oh but maybe we get to keep our job.

    "As far as outsourcing, foreign nurses are being insourced in. Hospitals and others are clamoring for relaxing immigration to allow them in."

    Yes but the foreign nurses still have to pay rent here! One can live pretty nice in Bangalore on a 5K salary. Thats not happening in Oakland, CA. I do worry about this but its not the threat that outsourcing is.

    "That's the way to fix the nursing shortage, not by improving working conditions. And unlicensed personnel are being trained to perform nursing duties, like giving meds and catherizing patients. Nursing is being deskilled. It is far cheaper to bump up the skills of a CNA, use LPNs/LVNs, than hire on RNs."

    In Cali we got mandatory staffing ratios for RNs. Of course the Adminstrators are lobbying against it. Thank god the nurses here seem much better organized that the poor tech workers.

    "So don't be so smug about nursing's rosy future. There are many issues going on right now, none of them particularly optimistic."

    Cheer up, the fact of the shortage is optimistic for you. Its Basic Economics, low supply of nurses = high pay.

    "As I stated in an earlier post, one should not enter nursing merely because it seems like a "good opportunity," or think that they can have convenient hours, or for any other reason than that they truly wish to work as a nurse. Otherwise, it will be sheer misery."

    I'm happy you work as a nurse just to save the world and don't care about pay. My Sister took this approach to Medicine. As an MD, she makes less money at a clinic for poor people than RNs make around here. Good for her. Sorry I am such a selfish bastard!
  12. by   Soonstudent
    Right on!!

    Quote from ClimbingNurse
    A lot of the above posts made me fuming mad! Melly, a lot of these people are angry at life, not nursing. :angryfire

    The most laughable comment has to be about nursing not having any job security because we are usually employed "at will" meaning we can be fired any time. Newsflash: 99% of the people in this country are employed "at will." You clearly have no idea what it means to have no job security.

    I used to work in IT. To give you an idea, imagine that you've just spent 20 years becoming a kickbutt ER nurse. And then imagine that all the hospitals on the planet just stopped doing emergency medicine. That's what IT is like. (Just substitute ERP Software for ED Nursing.) In nursing, even if your ER closes, you can always go across town and get a new job.

    When was the last time someone posted on this board about not being able to find a job?

    Oh, and the people who complain about not having enough flexibility. Hello?! Do you know what it's like to work 6 12's? With no overtime compensation? For weeks on end? That's what many of my IT jobs were like.

    And then of course people complain about the money. Well, a lot of them are probably not willing to work OT. What do you expect for 36 hours a week? No one is going to pay you 6 figures working 3 days a week with a bachelor's or less. No one.

    People have these fantasies in their heads about what a working day is like for people with "normal" jobs. They have this infuriating notion that there are people out there who put in 40-hour work weeks in stressfree jobs and pull down 6 figure salaries. And even better, they think these people can take time off anytime they desire. And the best part: They think they have job security.

    And a final piece of advice: Don't take advice from anyone over the internet.
  13. by   ClimbingNurse
    First, I want to reply re: the comment about nurses potentially not getting compensated for OT. Hello?! Do you really think that will happen? Don't you think that hospital would have a bit of a hard time finding adequate staff? Hospitals are bending over backwards to attract people!

    And another thing: In nursing, the vast majority of what you do on a daily basis has intrinsic value. What you are doing at work matters. If you have trouble believing that, you should probably find a new job. Let me know how you feel about spending over half your waking hours achieving little more than "increasing shareholder value."

    Again, to respond directly to to the OP: Think about it, if these people are so unhappy with nursing, why are they all still nurses? There are TONS of people making personal sacrifices right now to switch careers into nursing.

    I would like to extend an invitation to anyone here who is so profoundly unhappy with nursing to leave! Go back to school and get a degree in IT, business, accounting, whatever. Come back and talk to me in 3 years after you've had time to experience the other side of the fence. Let me know what you think of the grass.

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