BSN vs. ADN - page 5

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  1. by   NurseMom
    RNC....
    Amen!

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    Laurie
    so many patients...
    so little time.....
  2. by   goldilocksrn
    I think there will come a time when hospitals won't have a choice BUT to pay more money. Less and less people are entering the profession because we don't get the recognition we deserve. More the reason to compensate accordingly. Higher pay for everyone, yet adjustments according to experience, specialty, and education. I wouldn't get my feelings hurt if a MSN on my unit was paid more.(we have 2 there)
  3. by   Dogtooth Violet
    Originally posted by goldilocksrn:
    I am a BSN and I feel that I should be paid more for my extra education. What do you think?

    Yabba Dabba Doo! I am an ADN student w/ a BS in business and management. I am concurrently working on an MBA. In becoming an RN, I am pursuing something other than just a mere livelihood -- I am pursuing something that I love -- patient care.

    It's a basic tenet in the business world that money talks -- and as the myriad of responses to your question shows, it talks pretty loud, even within the confines of nursing. Earning a higher education should be strongly advocated as a means by which to earn more in the job market (stands to reason) and as a means to avail many more career opportunities. Those who choose not to jump at an opportunity that the federal government is willing to subsidize for a time have different priorities. That's cool, but don't rain on my parade.

    I don't think that higher education necessarily provides one with common sense, intuitive process, compassion and a high level of skill -- though they can be honed in the academic environment. Skill and earning wages, however, are two different things. When I graduate, I'm headed to the hospital, clinic (health care organization) who bids the highest for the $$ and time investment I've made to better understand both nursing and business. If nurses don't think the two go hand in hand, better rethink the hospital admin's mantras: census; budget; the bottom line; capitation; human resource management, ad infinitum.

    I can always choose to willingly and happily volunteer my patient care skills, gratis, at my discretion, but not at my expense.

    Respectfully Submitted


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    Dogtooth Violet
  4. by   DonnaG
    Originally posted by Angel Nurse:
    I think nurses who have the BS as opposed to just an AS should get payed more. Even If you have both nurses doing the same job, the BS nurse should be payed more. The BS nurse took the time and payed the money to receive that BS degree. A BS nurse has gained more knowledge through that education and he/she should be recognized for that.
    I think it is silly to pay someone more just because of the amount of education they have. I mean, if you're on a unit as a bsn doing the same job as an asn why should you be paid a higher wage? I think you should be paid depending upon your experience and the no. of years you have been a nurse. My uncle is a teacher with a masters degree in educaton and he makes less than a nurse with an asn. So does this apply to all levels of education? Or do you just think BSN nurses should be paid more because you are one?

  5. by   nanjam
    If I'm working side by side with a BSN versus ADN what matters truly most is my level of experience. Some BSN grads believe that they are delivering a higher quality of care but that is not necessarily so. As a patient I would rather have an experienced ADN over a less experienced BSN any day! Experience being the operative word. Degrees are quite necessary for advancement and expanding your career choices. Certifications, I believe, should be compensated for their expertise. That is where a nurse's value is better measured, in my opinion.
  6. by   MishnVA
    I am a returning student, just starting a ADN (returning to school for fun and to broaden my knowledge). I already have a BA in Psycholgy and a MA in Forensic Psycholgy. I have been a Social Worker for the past ten years.
    Since I have told my co-workers at the hospital, that I am going for a ADN I have been put down for this.
    Oddly, I do not see much difference in BS/BS programs except for the 2 years of classes in ones' major, which in reality I will have 2 years of liberal arts, 2 years of Psych. and 2 years of Nursing (not including my Masters work. So I will have more schooling and more expereience than many others) when I graduate.
    I have no idea if I want to go into nursing full time, I have some time to explore this but when I hear all the arguements against ADN I am confused.

    Can anyone give me a reality check before I get out into the real world? What will be my options?

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    Michele N., BA (Psycholgy), MA (Forensic Psycholgy) and soon to be RN
  7. by   maikranz
    Not sure why you're being "put down". Is it because you're going into nursing? or because you're going the Assoc. degree route?
    Besides, who cares what they think. I believe the U of Tennessee has a Forensic Nursing specialty; sounds like just up your alley! Good luck!
    Originally posted by MishnVA:
    I am a returning student, just starting a ADN (returning to school for fun and to broaden my knowledge). I already have a BA in Psycholgy and a MA in Forensic Psycholgy. I have been a Social Worker for the past ten years.
    Since I have told my co-workers at the hospital, that I am going for a ADN I have been put down for this.
    Oddly, I do not see much difference in BS/BS programs except for the 2 years of classes in ones' major, which in reality I will have 2 years of liberal arts, 2 years of Psych. and 2 years of Nursing (not including my Masters work. So I will have more schooling and more expereience than many others) when I graduate.
    I have no idea if I want to go into nursing full time, I have some time to explore this but when I hear all the arguements against ADN I am confused.

    Can anyone give me a reality check before I get out into the real world? What will be my options?

  8. by   lita1857
    RNC and marthasrnc...Amen, you both wrote beautiful statements. Dogtooth Violet all I can say is YEAH!!! and MishnVA your alphabet soup was impressive and your statements ring true!!! Thanks every one for great thoughts..
  9. by   nanjam
    I think that I was misunderstood. I am all for higher education, continuing education, certification, etc. What I believe is divisive is the impression that an ADN is somehow an inferior RN. We should, those of us who choose to and are able to, pursue higher education. The worst thing we could do to ourselves is to continue this infighting. We are all nurses caring for the same patients. Don't you think it's time to come together and support one another instead?
  10. by   MishnVA
    Thanks MaiKrantz, I also serve on the Board of a Battered Woman's Shelter. I wrote and received a grant to train for SANE's. After Graduation I plan to utilize the grant myself. Michele

    QUOTE]Originally posted by maikranz:
    Not sure why you're being "put down". Is it because you're going into nursing? or because you're going the Assoc. degree route?
    Besides, who cares what they think. I believe the U of Tennessee has a Forensic Nursing specialty; sounds like just up your alley! Good luck!
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  11. by   Mijourney
    Hi,
    I've to decided to revisit this topic after reading all the interesting replies. My BB associates, consider the following. Many hospitals pay nurses extra for obtaining and maintaining a certification e.g a CCRN. Most hospitals pay shift differentials to nurses who work difficult shifts and mainly to keep those shifts as well staffed as possible. There are hospitals who have clinical ladders to pay nurses who demonstrate more than average incentive. The rationale for extra pay is different for each scenario, but the priniciple is essentially the same. The nurse is demonstrating extra initiative in some part of his/her clinical performance or education and is being compensated for it. The issue is not whether a nurse who obtains a BSN is superior to a nurse who obtains an ADN or vice versa. The issue is whether demonstrating extra intiative warrants extra pay. I think it should.
  12. by   marthasrnc
    I am an ADN prepared nurse with 10 years experience, and certification in psychiatric nursing. I feel that experience, not education, should determine salary. As for the respect gained by a degree, I have found that one must earn whatever respect is to be had from colleagues. No degree can make a difference when it comes to the compassion and dedication it takes to be a good nurse.

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    MSRNC
  13. by   goldilocksrn
    Exactly! .

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