Are you in Nursing for the Caring or the Cash?? Be Honest

susanna · Jun 27, 2004

anyone can tell me...whats a lien?

RN4NICU, LPN, LVN · Jun 27, 2004

anyone can tell me...whats a lien?

Lien is the right to take and hold or sell the property of a debtor as a payment for a debt or security for a debt

Dixiedi · Jun 27, 2004

are you in america? ive never heard of that happening. i thought that tactic was illegal, unless he signed the home as collateral. that would break my heart to do that. in fact, i dont think i could do that.

It happens all the time. Folks are required to allow tx facilities and/or LTC facilities to put a lein on their homes so that they can receive treatment. On the other hand, if you've sat on your duff all your life, lived on government assistance, etc you don't have to give your childrens inheritance away (something you worked your whole life for). It sucks. In this country, the people who deserve government assistance don't get it! Oh, I am getting on my biggest soap box better shut up now.

Yep, it happens. To young and old alike.

RNIAM, BSN, RN · Jun 27, 2004

To be honest for me it is both. I love pateint care but I wouldn't do it for free.

alexsb1116 · Jun 27, 2004

Job stability. Not the money. Let's face it. The money's alright but for the amount of work and stress you RN's have...it ain't much.

I was in Medical/Pharmaceutical Sales (a sweet, sweet job BTW) and was making more money than my RN wife. BUT I was laid off twice... so here I am, getting an ADN and maybe work as an RN or maybe go back to Pharmaceutical/Medical sales. That's the nice thing about being an RN......a lot of doors suddenly open.

Betty_SPN_KS, LPN · Jun 27, 2004

It happens all the time. Folks are required to allow tx facilities and/or LTC facilities to put a lein on their homes so that they can receive treatment. On the other hand, if you've sat on your duff all your life, lived on government assistance, etc you don't have to give your childrens inheritance away (something you worked your whole life for). It sucks. In this country, the people who deserve government assistance don't get it! Oh, I am getting on my biggest soap box better shut up now.
Yep, it happens. To young and old alike.

So those who worked for every penny have to give it up, and those who got a free ride can keep getting a free ride? How did we get to this?

I know I'm getting on a tangent, but where's the pride people used to have in working well to earn their way? What happened to our work ethic (which I believe was a big part in making this country great)?

Not that I've never received government assistance, but I remember my mother being careful not to embarass us about getting free school lunches or food stamps. Now it's "in" to brag about the freebies and all you can get from Uncle Sam. I'm ashamed to say I don't even try to hide the fact that my kids have state med cards or free school lunches and book rental. But I'd like to be more independent and pay for it myself.

My nursing school was paid for by Pell grant and SEOG. But I wish I could get away from that dependence.

cannoli · Jun 27, 2004

I've been close to the medical field my whole life. My mom was an LPN (license lapsed) and I read her nursing books in middle school. No, I didn't understand them, but it was good exposure. Who needs sex ed when you have an obstetrics book at home??
I have worked in auxiliary hospital departments, and doctor's offices, and done things that were definitely NOT patient centered, such as bill collection. I will never forget the day I had to go to court to put a lien on an old man's home (the only thing he owned) to pay for his physical therapy bill; and he showed up and was seated in the jury box by the bailiff. Why? Because he had either testicular or prostate cancer, and had had radioactive pellets placed in his scrotum as part of his treatment.
Some things I CARE about are:
-doing what I feel I should be doing with my life
-making a living doing it, being able to have a house and a secure job
-being able to afford to volunteer my time and services sometimes
-Indy

That is very sad. Why didn't they just take it as a loss and a tax writeoff? It would seem like they would make out just as well if not better that way?

The whole payment system stinks!

Dixiedi · Jun 27, 2004

So those who worked for every penny have to give it up, and those who got a free ride can keep getting a free ride? How did we get to this?
I know I'm getting on a tangent, but where's the pride people used to have in working well to earn their way? What happened to our work ethic (which I believe was a big part in making this country great)?
Not that I've never received government assistance, but I remember my mother being careful not to embarass us about getting free school lunches or food stamps. Now it's "in" to brag about the freebies and all you can get from Uncle Sam. I'm ashamed to say I don't even try to hide the fact that my kids have state med cards or free school lunches and book rental. But I'd like to be more independent and pay for it myself.
My nursing school was paid for by Pell grant and SEOG. But I wish I could get away from that dependence.

I know what you are saying! But feel no shame for getting help. You deserve it! You work, you are trying. Many of us have problems with the exact same benifits being available for free to those who have never really tried.

It really sounds cruel but why should an old man loose ownership of his home, something he worked all his life for so he can receive medical care while some jerk who has a multitude of reasons for not working receives the same care for nothing! It's wrong!

In an idealic socialist society everyone would have excellent health care. However, greed and laziness prevent socialism or communism from working idealistically. No matter how you look at it, capitalism is the best way. And that means, if you don't work you don't have. Taxes should not be collected fromt hose of us who work to pay the tab for those who don't. Our system would work much better if we were not providing handouts to those who do not deserve it. When the food stamp and "welfare" systems were created, they were created to assist those folks who were going through a hard time so that they did not loose everything. Now, if you have anyting it will have to be sold (lien to pay for treatment falls into this) before you can qualify for that help. Just doesn't make sense that in our liberal thoughts we neglected to look into the future and see that you can not provide free handouts, humans are lazy creatures and will not work if they don't have to. Look at the thread about being a nurse for love of job or money. Just about everybody has said they wouldn't work if they didn't have to. Guess they just don't know how to play the system, or maybe pride in oneself prevents them from playing the system.

I'm ranting again. It's cruel, but I firmly believe if you don't work, you don't get. If you work and don't earn enough (or can no longer work,) you should be helped.

Dixiedi · Jun 27, 2004

That is very sad. Why didn't they just take it as a loss and a tax writeoff? It would seem like they would make out just as well if not better that way?
The whole payment system stinks!

Between the number of cases that are medicaide or medicare which is paid differently than private insurance; and private insurance that now restricts payments, it is impossible to write them all off.

Wherever the treatment is being provided, it is a business and businesses must have paid accounts receivable or their accounts payable will not get paid.

This is an example of why so many hospitals no longer provide emergency care beyond simple broken legs (example). Too many severely traumatized folks are brought in without insurance. They hospitals are required to provide life-saving care even if they know it will not get paid. How dothey get around that red ink on their books? They quit staffing/equiping their ER for severe trauma. If they are not equiped/staffed the ambulance will have to drive on by because needed care can not be provided. That's why you hear so much about this person or that person was taken to hospital A where they were stableized and then transferred to hospital B where they really needed to go in the first place but were too unstable to make it.

Just another symptom of too much free health care in this country.

Chevelle · Jun 27, 2004

I believe no matter the reason for going into it, most of those who shouldn't be there will either be weeded out by nursing school or the career itself.

geekgolightly, BSN, RN · Jun 27, 2004

i thought all old people got medicare.

mscsrjhm · Jun 27, 2004

I got into the nursing for the glamour. I enjoy the 9 to 5 shifts, the hour long lunches, the relaxed atmosphere, the "oh well, it will get done in the long run" attitude, the fashionable clothing, caring administration...