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  1. by   ZASHAGALKA
    In fact, Canada's healthcare programs are dependent upon Quebec remaining in the confederation. The tax base in many of the provinces couldn't support the current system without the added tax base of Quebec. Oh, to be sure, the different provinces have programs that aren't tied directly to each other. But the rising taxes to cover other things would quickly put a dire strain on the other provinces if Quebec withdraws.

    In Europe, the socialistic 'cradle to grave' mentality, combined with plummeting birth rates, is stagnating their economies, requiring many of those nations to depend upon immigration to prop up their economies. But, that is a short term fix.

    You need look no further then the financing of Social Security and Medicare to understand that runaway, unchecked benefits cannot and will not be be self-sustaining.

    ~faith,
    Timothy.
  2. by   pickledpepperRN
    Having health insurance does not guarantee you will get needed care. Even if you are in the ER with a broken leg.
  3. by   blueyesue
    below are graphs on canada's waiting lists. it mostly seems to have gotten worse within 10 years time. sometimes doubling or even quadrupling the wait time:

    http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/...2004%20pt2.pdf#


    on a side note, i also wonder how the income of doctors and nurses differ between canada and america?
  4. by   GardenDove
    Quote from ejm
    below are graphs on canada's waiting lists. it mostly seems to have gotten worse within 10 years time. sometimes doubling or even quadrupling the wait time:

    http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/...2004%20pt2.pdf#


    on a side note, i also wonder how the income of doctors and nurses differ between canada and america?

    i believe american nurses are the best paid in the world, for that we can count ourselves fortunate. life is trade offs, that is for certain.
  5. by   blueyesue
    I surely wish you nurses got paid more around the world. You are in a class all by yourselves. :angel2:

    When I was in Swaziland Africa, I was in one of their government hospitals and saw what underpaid and over worked really meant. Patients were laying under beds because there wasn't enough available beds. IV's were leaking and the smell of body fluids was putrid. Of course that is Africa, but they did have private clinics and hospitals which were clean and had up to date equipment. The difference between private and government in the third world is staggering. I wish it could be different. The people in the rural areas have little resources, but even they can make a good life for themselves. I saw one lady leave her mud hut and go to Bible school in South Africa. It is beautiful. Education, ambition and opportunity are what people need no matter what country you are in.

    Okay, I don't know what came over me. LOL. Carry on.
  6. by   GardenDove
    Quote from EJM
    I surely wish you nurses got paid more around the world. You are in a class all by yourselves. :angel2:

    When I was in Swaziland Africa, I was in one of their government hospitals and saw what underpaid and over worked really meant. Patients were laying under beds because there wasn't enough available beds. IV's were leaking and the smell of body fluids was putrid. Of course that is Africa, but they did have private clinics and hospitals which were clean and had up to date equipment. The difference between private and government in the third world is staggering. I wish it could be different. The people in the rural areas have little resources, but even they can make a good life for themselves. I saw one lady leave her mud hut and go to Bible school in South Africa. It is beautiful. Education, ambition and opportunity are what people need no matter what country you are in.

    Okay, I don't know what came over me. LOL. Carry on.
    We are a bunch of insulated whiners in America, lets face it. We are darned lucky to live on easy street, lets face it.
  7. by   F_Nightengown
    Agreed. And how does one define a "minimal level" anyway?
  8. by   jyoung1950
    A friend of mine, who is totally for government provided health insurance, told me that another thing about Hillary's plan was that the payment would amount to the company paying a dollar something for each hour of every employee's work. I don't know how a small company could afford that.
  9. by   blueyesue
    Quote from GardenDove
    We are a bunch of insulated whiners in America, lets face it. We are darned lucky to live on easy street, lets face it.
    It's like the old adage: The more you have the more you want.

    The spoiled are hard to satisfy.

    To add: Of course we should never be satisfied with mediocrity, and should always strive for the best. It is how we became the greatest nation.
    Last edit by blueyesue on Dec 10, '06
  10. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from ejm
    below are graphs on canada's waiting lists. it mostly seems to have gotten worse within 10 years time. sometimes doubling or even quadrupling the wait time:

    http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/admin/...2004%20pt2.pdf#


    on a side note, i also wonder how the income of doctors and nurses differ between canada and america?
    would you please stop with the canada bashing already? it's disgusting. incase you haven't noticed, we do have members here who are canadian. this isn't "allunitedstatesnurses.com."
  11. by   PANurseRN1
    Quote from EJM
    It's like the old adage: The more you have the more you want.

    The spoiled are hard to satisfy.

    To add: Of course we should never be satisfied with mediocrity, and should always strive for the best. It is how we became the greatest nation.
    It might serve you well to actually experience being in a position where you don't have health insurance and don't have the $$ to pay for care. Maybe you would have a little more compassion.

    No wonder so many people hate what the US represents. Unbridled arrogance will be the country's undoing.
  12. by   PANurseRN1
    I should have known to check the "user profile" before getting so fired up. That says it all.
  13. by   Simplepleasures
    Quote from EJM
    It's like the old adage: The more you have the more you want.

    The spoiled are hard to satisfy.

    To add: Of course we should never be satisfied with mediocrity, and should always strive for the best. It is how we became the greatest nation.
    Oh my goodness yes, I am so spoiled while I sit here in pain from the DDD and DJD in spine and DJD of bilat knees.Cant have needed surgery , no health insurance!!Not enough money for my meds.Need groceries, may have to try to get a ride to the food pantry, since my car got reposessed. Couldnt afford COBRA.Gone BROKE waiting to be approved for Social Security Disability. This thread has evolved into foolish pratter about how spoiled and lucky we are, ask those who are not so lucky right here in this country, see what they have to say, jeesh.

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