RN to Paramedic Bridge Course - page 9

I'm wondering if any of you might know of a RN to Paramedic bridge course. I'd like to get my certification as a Paramedic, but don't want to have to through a whole year of school to do it! Let me... Read More

  1. by   hherrn
    Quote from tammy79, rn
    wow. 2 weeks of training from rn to paramedic. i wonder if that includes working lunches. sure glad they require that tncc course which has nothing to do with field prehospital medicine. but then again, neither does nursing. i wonder if there is a 2 week program paramedics can take to become an rn if they have a cna ticket since its all the same anyway. anything to make a buck i guess.

    distance education rocks - work smart - not hard.
    adn, regents college, distance ed - class of 1994
    bsn, indiana state university, distance ed - class of 2007
    msn-fnp, univ. of southern indiana, distance ed - class of 2009

    i have heard the same thing about about distance learning programs. i personally disagree, but i have heard nurses deride those who recieved their degree online, or in a distance learning program. since i have never really looked at the curriculuum or requirements, i am more inclined to judge somebody on their knowledge and abilities.

    given your training, you may have encountered this prejudice.

    hherrn
  2. by   GilaRRT
    Slight difference in taking a two week course versus a several month or longer distance learning course?
  3. by   hherrn
    Huge difference.- I have nothing against distance learning, or anyone who takes distance learning course. Be silly if I did, since I did some of my prereqs on line, tested out of others.

    Some similarities, in that both:
    • Are an alternate aproach
    • Are accredited
    • Result in the opportunity to test for a license
    • Are usually spoken well of by people who have participated in them
    • Are sometimes considered inferior, or an unfair shortcut, by people who have not participated in them
    I have heard distance learning for nursing derided. I personally disagree, and am more inclined to judge on performance, rather than how somebody got got their degree.

    I am not really familiar with Creighton's course. AFAIK, in addition to the two weeks, they require EMT, various certifications, and two years criical/ER experience. Then, the graduate has to pass the same test as any other medic. At that point, the person is an entry level paramedic.

    Does this program actually turn out less competent medics than other programs? It's been a while since I read this whole thread, but I don't recall anybody having having any bad experiences with graduates of this program. At least not at a higher rate than any other program.

    hhern

    I am intersted in this thread because I have considered this course. My experience includes:
    • 5 years ER/critical care experience (more by the time I would take it)
    • TNCC
    • CCRN
    • ACLS
    • PALS
    • 10 years ski patrol at a high volume mountain
    • EMT- cerified for 20 years, several years active vollunteer and paid
    • Outdoor Emergency Care- instructor
    • Wilderness First Responder- former instructor
    • Swiftwater rescue- instructor
    • Rock climbing instructor with a bit of technical rescue training.
    I have a lot of experience assesing and packaging pt's in challenging environments.

    I feel like this course might be a good option for me. I feel that if I was to graduate from this course, my competency would compare well to other entry level paramedics.
  4. by   ritarunningfeet
    Hey hherrn,
    I took this course in october 07' And I actually had someone from ski patrol in my class. I thought it was a very well run course, they built on what we already knew. It was very intense, a full 2 weeks from 9am- 11pm every day and 7a-11p on the weekend, also 2 OR days that started at 6am. Most of the other RN's had worked the road for an amount of time before taking the class, and we were all there for our own reasons, but all of us it was to further our knowledge in our careers. As someone else said it is pretty expensive, but I found well worth it. I took the NREMT-P and passed first time, they did a very good job. I hope this helps
  5. by   Dr. Tammy, FNP/GNP-C
    Quote from hherrn
    distance education rocks - work smart - not hard.
    adn, regents college, distance ed - class of 1994
    bsn, indiana state university, distance ed - class of 2007
    msn-fnp, univ. of southern indiana, distance ed - class of 2009

    i have heard the same thing about about distance learning programs. i personally disagree, but i have heard nurses deride those who recieved their degree online, or in a distance learning program. since i have never really looked at the curriculuum or requirements, i am more inclined to judge somebody on their knowledge and abilities.

    given your training, you may have encountered this prejudice.

    hherrn
    i'm not sure i understand your point. are you comparing differences in values and oppinions between traditional education and distance education in the form of nursing education to differences between legitimate prehospital care paramedic training programs to a program that churns rn's into paramedics in a few days? if so, to suggest you are comparing apples to oranges would be kind.
  6. by   hherrn
    Quote from tammy79, rn
    i'm not sure i understand your point. are you comparing differences in values and oppinions between traditional education and distance education in the form of nursing education to differences between legitimate prehospital care paramedic training programs to a program that churns rn's into paramedics in a few days? if so, to suggest you are comparing apples to oranges would be kind.

    apples are a crunchy fruit, with an edible skin, grown primarily in cooler climates.
    oranges are a juicy fruit, with an inedible skin, grown primarily in warmer climates.

    although different, they both fit into the category of fruit, and have a number of similarities. i have no problem comparing them.

    my point in the other comparison was not that the two endeavors are identical. they are as different as apples and oranges. they also have some similarities in that both have detractors. and, in both cases people who have participated in the programs have had positive things to say.

    i do know that distance learning has had some pretty good results. i have personally benefitted from distance learning. what i don't know is whether or not creighton, or any similar program, is in fact, churning out unqualified, incompetent medics.

    i think i have read all the posts in this long thread, and don't recall any personal negative experiences.

    hherrn

    fwiw, the national association of ems educators seems to think the director of this program does a good job- they gave him an award.
  7. by   ritarunningfeet
    The director and all of the instructors do an awsome job. I posted in this thread a long time ago before I took the class trying to get some information, but it has gone so far off the question and become somewhat of a spitting match. I just would like to say that the course is a very very well run course. I took it because of wanting to be a flight nurse, found it very well worth it and enjoy working the road a lot as a paramedic so I have the experiance and not just the card with my name on it that says I am a paramedic.
    Last edit by ritarunningfeet on Feb 4, '09 : Reason: took out my words
  8. by   Dr. Tammy, FNP/GNP-C
    Quote from ritarunningfeet
    The director and all of the instructors do an awsome job. I posted in this thread a long time ago before I took the class trying to get some information, but it has gone so far off the question and become somewhat of a spitting match. I just would like to say that the course is a very very well run course. I took it because of wanting to be a flight nurse, found it very well worth it and enjoy working the road a lot as a paramedic so I have the experiance and not just the card with my name on it that says I am a paramedic.
    I'm sure its a great and wonderfully profitable program with the nature and integrity of the paramedic profession first and foremost in the forefront of the proprietors minds.

    I'm still trying, however, to find a similar deal where my paramedic friends can get their RN degree in a few days, since paramedicine and nursing are essentially the same thing.
  9. by   Guy84RN
    RN's get paid more because of more education.
  10. by   GilaRRT
    Quote from Guy84RN
    RN's get paid more because of more education.
    I am afraid not. Many paramedic programs require the same requisite courses as their nursing counterparts. It is not uncommon to find A&P, biology, English, math, and psychology requirements for the AD PM programs. While shake and bake 1000 hour wonder mills exist, there is allot of pressure to mandate AD level education.

    In fact, the "technician" has been removed from the paramedic title with the new national SOP changes. It is also not unheard of to have paramedics with more clinical hours under their belt than their RN counterparts. The education is different for a RN; however, I would not say "more."
  11. by   Guy84RN
    ok obviously your not referring to a BSN, otherwise my statement will stand correct.
  12. by   GilaRRT
    You did not identify the BSN level of education. I compared roughly equal levels of education. However, you are still incorrect as the typical ADN will make significantly more than a PM with an equal level of education.
  13. by   getoverit
    Quote from GilaRN
    You did not identify the BSN level of education. I compared roughly equal levels of education. However, you are still incorrect as the typical ADN will make significantly more than a PM with an equal level of education.
    In fact, an ADN will make significantly more than a paramedic with a Bachelor's degree in emergency medicine. In my area, a brand new RN with an associate's degree on their first day at work will make $8-10/hr than a paramedic with an bachelor's degree and 20+ years of experience.
    talk about inequality....

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