Petition to help new grads get experience - page 6

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  1. Visit  msn10 profile page
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    You guys are nuts! I don't see any problem with asking the government to assist in this matter. First of all, the number of MDs produced in residency is tightly regulated and results in an adequate number of jobs per graduates. Here, we have nurses investing in their education only to come out of school and be told that a costly residency is not in their future. The cycle continues when they prematurely apply to grad school or leave the profession all together eventually leading to another boom bust cycle. Sadly, some of these people have been seduced into shady programs that leave them with no viable job options even if they have passed NCLEX.
    Be careful what you wish for. The government is funding 2 separate 3-year nurse residency programs in VA hospitals starting in 2013. However, they are only allowing BSN's into the program. Most of the formal nurse residency programs in the U.S. have a BSN requirement. So if you prefer BSN only, then you should start wishing.

    I also agree with Xmas ShoppingRN and expect nurse residents to get a much lower wage because education is not cheap.
  2. Visit  funfunfun550 profile page
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    I am lost here...are these DNP programs????I know the VA got innovative and formed their "own agency" so you can travel around..one state license. I have had the fleeting thought to go there..I did agency work at a facility...lots of people that are there because of the comfortable rut and great benefits but still alot of good people working there...Many former vets themselves!
  3. Visit  canigraduate profile page
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    Quote from JZ_RN
    You ever stop to think maybe some people don't have internet access when they're brand new college students, struggling to pay bills on their own and pay tuition? I know I didn't.
    If you are going to school, use the school's internet.

    Use the local library's internet. Shoot, borrow a friend's laptop and use the free McDonalds/Starbucks/Panera WiFi.

    In this day and age, if you don't have internet access, it's because you don't want it and are actively avoiding it.
    Last edit by sirI on Jan 13, '13 : Reason: member request
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  4. Visit  msn10 profile page
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    I am lost here...are these DNP programs????I know the VA got innovative and formed their "own agency" so you can travel around..one state license.
    No, the VA hospitals in Milwaukee and Atlanta received these grants for BSN grads. They will each get 10 new grads a year for 3 years and they do not have to include them in the FTE/staffing ratios so they are basically 'free nurses' on the floors. They are going to have to decide how they will train them, however. Do they go to different floors? Do they get trained in just a couple of areas? They are working out the kinks right now but they were already promised the money. I think it is going to begin with the may grads.
  5. Visit  Tree5981 profile page
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    When I graduated from nursing school I got an internship in oncology that was funded through a government grant. I think there should be more programs like this out there for nurses. It is a great learning environment,, and got certified in chemo. It gave me the tools I needed to be a better nurse. Obviously, our government has an enormous amount of debt, but hopefully in the future there can more internships for new nurses.
  6. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Thanks for the info msn10...then again, what about ADNs and diploma program nurses??? What happened to skill mix??? There could be a combination of ideas that could help provide competent nursing care as well as help new nurses secure experience to evolve into a safe competent nurse. I'm all for the evolution of our practice. And most times, our education and role in healthcare is respected, even when it looks like it does not in the trenches. I also believe there is too many inflated ideas in the pot...the corporate intrusion in the healthcare business, the idea you can make tons of money and you will always have a job, etc. We have work to do-understanding our rates from CMS, and getting them raised, promoting a clinical ladder, a TRUE work life balance, prevention of huge amounts of debt due to private for profit schools that based on their rep have no way of their students obtaining competency and employment, and increasing the mobility for obtaining employment and really bridging the gap between generations to move ahead the positives of nursing. A lot of that I believe we can do that collectively. This thread can be just the start...we can PM each other, network with our local nursing association chapters, get the word out...unions may not be in fashion, but grass-roots mobilization really hasn't gone out of style either...
  7. Visit  LadyFree28 profile page
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    Quote from Tree5981
    When I graduated from nursing school I got an internship in oncology that was funded through a government grant. I think there should be more programs like this out there for nurses. It is a great learning environment,, and got certified in chemo. It gave me the tools I needed to be a better nurse. Obviously, our government has an enormous amount of debt, but hopefully in the future there can more internships for new nurses.
    There are government grants that are SURPLUSES and ARE NOT INCLUDED in the debt...another myth. There are a lot of programs out there that do offer opportunities, such as HRSA has a loan repayment program: http://www.hrsa.gov/loanscholarships/repayment/nursing/ (this is one of the programs I was specifying about that should give an additional grace period for new grads still struggling to find work). I hope Tree that you can share this wealth of information on this thread...this may be an option for some...
  8. Visit  Mulan profile page
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    Quote from Tree5981
    When I graduated from nursing school I got an internship in oncology that was funded through a government grant. I think there should be more programs like this out there for nurses. It is a great learning environment,, and got certified in chemo. It gave me the tools I needed to be a better nurse. Obviously, our government has an enormous amount of debt, but hopefully in the future there can more internships for new nurses.
    How long was your internship?
  9. Visit  Altra profile page
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    Quote from LadyFree28
    There is a MYTH that CMS and insurances do not pay for nursing care...they do...they set the rates for reimbursement, and it is up to the agency to pick up the rest of the tab from the budget. Our rates are dependent on a portion of insurance reimbursement and the hospitals' operating costs...some prefer to include pricing by specialty...I just work in a part of the field that was very upfront on how they calculate wages...I worked with two different HH agencies...each said they are bound by insurance and CMS rates for nursing care, HOWEVER, the other company added dollars because they VALUED nurses and want to make sure they retained the best nurses (their speil , not mine)...and wages were more if you were a trach/vent nurse. You not always see it in the bedside at a large facility, but the reimbursement is there...I don't care how many times I post this, until we as nurses get it...we get reimbursed.
    This is not correct. Medicare benefits include some provisions which directly reimburse certain agencies for nursing care including some home health, skilled nursing, and rehabilitation. You are correct that rates can vary by specialty.

    However, in the inpatient/acute care world, hospitals billing for Medicare patients receive reimbursement by DRG and/or procedure code. There are no rates that specify payment for nursing care.

    You are attempting to compare apples and oranges.
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  10. Visit  JZ_RN profile page
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    Quote from canigraduate
    If you are going to school, use the school's internet.

    Use the local library's internet. Shoot, borrow a friend's laptop and use the free McDonalds/Starbucks/Panera WiFi.

    In this day and age, if you don't have internet access, it's because you don't want it and are actively avoiding it.

    When you're 17 and just starting out in college, sorry if you're not totally savvy on economics. Pardon me for once being naive. And frankly, you clearly don't understand what it's like to live in poverty. I didn't seek this job strictly so I could make money, I wanted to help people. Maybe you have never needed and never had to live in a situation where you had no electricity because your parents were laid off and you needed to work a crappy min. wage job to pay your tuition and get gas to go to classes but you're also pretty nasty and rude. And no, wifi wasn't everywhere in my rural town and I had no internet access. I didn't even have heat. And.... Lazy? Maybe I wasn't surfing the internet at my job like a lot of the more "experienced" nurses I've seen because I was working my butt off and studying like a fiend. Judge not, I see you got some C's. I think you are the one who needs a REALITY CHECK... or maybe just to be checked.
    Last edit by sirI on Jan 13, '13 : Reason: edited quoted post
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  11. Visit  canigraduate profile page
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    It seems like I touched a nerve. I'm sorry for offending you.

    Congratulations for starting college so early. That must have taken some effort.

    I will stand by my statement that in this day and age, internet access is readily available. If you can't get it, you're not trying.

    I didn't say anything about poverty or naivet, so I won't address that. And thank you for bringing up my earlier failure in academics. It helps me to remain centered. I always find it amusing when other people try to throw the past up as a barrier to communication. I hope you have a good evening.
  12. Visit  itrust profile page
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    LadyFree28 can you comment on quote below:
    "nursing repayment programs, or the Perkins Loan forgiveness (or not eligible to)."

    Can you please elaborate on these two, I'm so inundated with debt I often have restless nights thinking about how I am going to pay it all back (tears often follow). I already ruled out kids since I want to purchase a house. I'm a career changer btw. I applied for the HRSA scholarship, they checked my credit but I ultimately didn't get an invite for the scholarship. I plan on applying for their nurse loan repayment program but I doubt I will get that as well. I have excellent credit, a good GPA but like someone referenced above the competition is fierce nowadays. I guess a 3.8 is too low for most of these scholarships, hopefully I can secure a residency, sigh.
    Last edit by itrust on Jan 13, '13
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  13. Visit  That Guy profile page
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    And just another reason people dont take nursing seriously.

    Here is a hand holding service for after you graduate. I would rather burn this petition and the entitlement crap behind it. Getting through school/passing NCLEX doesnt mean you automatically get a job.
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