Enraged (venting) - page 2

OK, I know y'all can relate... Tonight I received a 23yoM, out drinking and driving, hitting parked cars. He already has 2 felony DUI's on his records. He fought with fire department on scene... Read More

  1. by   lannisz
    It sounds to me like you were defending yourself and fighting him off. End of story.
  2. by   babynurselsa
    Most of the ER docs I know would have paralyzed........looked over the assortment of blades..........looked over the assortment of tubes.......... bent the stylette to their exacting specifications.......maybe whispered some advice into the patients ear..... THen they would intubate.
  3. by   RN BSN 2009
    I'm sorry about what happend. Take some rest and a hot bath!
  4. by   CritterLover
    Quote from jojotoo
    And BRAVO to you for pressing charges!!!


    :yeahthat:
  5. by   Christie RN2006
    I went through a similar situation not too long ago except my patient wasn't drunk, he had no reason to assult us. Ours went crazy while we were in MRI and he ended up throwing things and hitting us, etc. We ended up having to call a code violet (violent individual) to get help because it was the weekend and it was only 3 of us girls vs. one very strong guy. Before security could get there we did manage to get him pinned to a chair against the wall. He later told us "I'm surprised you nurses were that strong" We didn't end up pressing charges on him... probably should have though. We all ended up with bruises and scratches from that one.
  6. by   cozmo_blozmo
    Why feel sorry for being human. What you did was a natural reaction and no need to calm down.




    Quote from andhow5
    OK, I know y'all can relate...

    Tonight I received a 23yoM, out drinking and driving, hitting parked cars. He already has 2 felony DUI's on his records.

    He fought with fire department on scene (no head injury - he was just a drunk jerk), EMS on scene, police on scene; en route was kicking my medics and the police. He arrives and is still screaming and trying to swing while handcuffed to the cart.

    I *tried* my very best to remain calm and therapeutic, but could only tolerate so much of the, "I refuse, you can't touch me, I'm suing you because my dad's a lawyer, and you can't let them take me to jail because I want to go home," while he attempts to swing, swears, and spits. He made mistake number one at that point by grabbing at my hand and squeezing until my hand popped (I filed charge number one at this point).

    He smelled so strongly of ETOH it made the eyes water, and of course, he ended up in CT scan.

    He fought and carried on over there, getting tazed several times. I ran over and medicated with Haldol and Ativan, but it was like spitting in the wind. Head blocks were gone, c-collar askew, and un-even on the LSB.

    For a few minutes he chilled out and I once again explained everything. The CT tech needed his arms above his head, so I explained that I would remain at his side to care for him, and help him hold his arms. He said, "Whatever." (Meanwhile my tech and 5 policemen were on the other side of the glass watching).

    I put on the lead, and was helping him hold his arms, and he screamed, "Let go of me you 'effin B*tch!" He then pulled an arm free and punched my chest (mistake number two, and charge number two filed) and face (mistake number three, and charge number three filed).

    I lost my cool at that point and completely lost it. I'm ashamed to admit that without thinking, and in order to get away, I punched him very hard and quick 3 times in the chest so he would let go of my other arm (and it worked).

    The police were all over him like a cheap suit. I told him that we were done playing the easy way, and he would now be going down the hard road, and told him I was taking him back to the ER to paralyze and intubate him.

    He cried all the way back.

    I'm just irritated that such a young man is wasting his life an potential and doesn't even care (he could have killed someone!). I'm furious that he thought he had to right to assault me. And I'm even more enraged that I lost my cool and responded the way I did.

    Any tips for calming down?
  7. by   ACESfan87
    That guy got what was coming to him attacking everyone. Don't beat yourself up for his actions.
  8. by   Madame Poppy Pomfrey
    andhow5 kudos to you!! You had a normal reaction and did not deserve to be assaulted. He was given the HA-HA concoction and he still acted like the Tasmanian Devil, Dr. should have intubated and so forth.Like the other poster be discreet about the "punching" business even though I say totally justifible in this circumstance, some fellow employees no matter how well meaning they are, go a little nuts with by the book and then you are on the hotseat. And AMEN that you are pressing charges, the hospital that I work in FROWNS upon this!
  9. by   TrudyRN
    Quote from andhow5
    OK, I know y'all can relate...

    Tonight I received a 23yoM, out drinking and driving, hitting parked cars. He already has 2 felony DUI's on his records.

    He fought with fire department on scene (no head injury - he was just a drunk jerk), EMS on scene, police on scene; en route was kicking my medics and the police. He arrives and is still screaming and trying to swing while handcuffed to the cart.

    I *tried* my very best to remain calm and therapeutic, but could only tolerate so much of the, "I refuse, you can't touch me, I'm suing you because my dad's a lawyer, and you can't let them take me to jail because I want to go home," while he attempts to swing, swears, and spits. He made mistake number one at that point by grabbing at my hand and squeezing until my hand popped (I filed charge number one at this point).

    He smelled so strongly of ETOH it made the eyes water, and of course, he ended up in CT scan.

    He fought and carried on over there, getting tazed several times. I ran over and medicated with Haldol and Ativan, but it was like spitting in the wind. Head blocks were gone, c-collar askew, and un-even on the LSB.

    For a few minutes he chilled out and I once again explained everything. The CT tech needed his arms above his head, so I explained that I would remain at his side to care for him, and help him hold his arms. He said, "Whatever." (Meanwhile my tech and 5 policemen were on the other side of the glass watching).

    I put on the lead, and was helping him hold his arms, and he screamed, "Let go of me you 'effin B*tch!" He then pulled an arm free and punched my chest (mistake number two, and charge number two filed) and face (mistake number three, and charge number three filed).

    I lost my cool at that point and completely lost it. I'm ashamed to admit that without thinking, and in order to get away, I punched him very hard and quick 3 times in the chest so he would let go of my other arm (and it worked).

    The police were all over him like a cheap suit. I told him that we were done playing the easy way, and he would now be going down the hard road, and told him I was taking him back to the ER to paralyze and intubate him.

    He cried all the way back.

    I'm just irritated that such a young man is wasting his life an potential and doesn't even care (he could have killed someone!). I'm furious that he thought he had to right to assault me. And I'm even more enraged that I lost my cool and responded the way I did.

    Any tips for calming down?
    First, I think you need to stop working with this type of patient. You assaulted and battered a patient, which could very well be felonious. You'd better check with a lawyer ASAP, I think.

    Your upset is perfectly understandable. No one should have to deal with this mess. But I am not sure that a nurse has the right to strike a patient. I suppose a case could be made for self-defense.
  10. by   TrudyRN
    [quote=bargainhound;1966896]Police/correction officers are taught to use reasonable force/proportionate
    to the threat.........you followed correct procedure based on those rules.

    I know we are not police/correction officers, but sometimes we have
    to act to save/protect ourselves or others.



    The OP really needs to know and follow policy at his workplace. Maybe he should have called Security.
  11. by   TrudyRN
    Quote from scribblerrn
    :yeahthat:

    I hope eveything turns out OK for you and bad (jail time for him).
    He is ill, let's not forget. He has an addiction to alcohol. Addiction. A person will sell his soul to satisfy a craving when addicted. It is an illness and the person deserves treatment. He might need jail, too. But he definitely needs treatment. And to be forgiven. There, but for the grace of God, go you and I.
  12. by   GooeyRN
    Wow. What a rough time you had. I agree, leave out the three punches. You "pushed" him off of you. It sucks that nurses can get into big trouble for defending ourselves. It seems like its ok for some to use self defense, but others not. Police can use tazers and other forms so they don't get injured, but nurses are supposed to get the crap beat out of them it seems like. Its great that you pressed charges. Maybe they will stick and this guy will learn something from the whole experience. Hopefully your co-workers will leave out the 3 punches when they tell their stories. Maybe they didn't "see" that. Does anyone who wittnessed the even dislike you? If your job frequently puts you in situations like this, it may be time to start looking for greener pastures. Your safety and well-being is very important. Please let us all know how this turns out for you.
  13. by   Altra
    Quote from TrudyRN
    First, I think you need to stop working with this type of patient. You assaulted and battered a patient, which could very well be felonious. You'd better check with a lawyer ASAP, I think.

    Your upset is perfectly understandable. No one should have to deal with this mess. But I am not sure that a nurse has the right to strike a patient. I suppose a case could be made for self-defense.
    There's the answer:

    "Dear ER manager/charge nurse, I will be unable to care for intoxicated, unruly patients as of this date."

    :stone

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