Will you work during a Pandemic? - page 18

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  1. by   gentlegiver
    Quote from flygirl43
    If you worked near Toronto during SARs, your response might be different. What you don't know is, 37 of our colleagues are on permanent life support, intubation d/t SARs. Their lives are destroyed...and nobody cares. We are only as good as our protection....and as drones, we hand this over to mgmt that doesnt care! In support of my fallen colleagues....I say....stand up, and take responsibility1!!!!!!
    I had know idea! All reports I've read have covered the reality again. This makes me certian that when the pandemic hits, we will be totally alone. What did the gov't do to protect the medical workers? Are they helping the 37 victims now? This job is tough, and sometimes scary, this lack of planning from gov't and the health care industry management just increase the danger 10 fold. My prayers to the 37 and other victims.
  2. by   K98
    My wife and I are both nurses (daughter is in nursing school) and we've spoken about this very issue more than once. If there is any sort of pandemic or bio-attack, we are hanging up our stethoscopes for the duration. Neither of us see any reason to dive on that hand grenade for strangers that, for the most part, don't appreciate what we do for them anyway.
  3. by   nanacarol
    I try very hard not to be judgemental, but the "me and mind mentality" is just too much for me. You and your family are not in the world alone. ing to protect yourself in the name of "Even if you stay at home to care for your little circle, you really aren't doing anything to protect them you merely are being scared and using them as a shield. Sorry, the truth is the truth. We need to let go of our ego and become one withothers. nana carol
  4. by   MAISY, RN-ER
    Quote from MAISY, RN-ER

    I liken this to lack of oxygen on an airplane, you always put your mask on first....before helping anyone else. You have a responsibility to yourself....IMHO it is stupid to think otherwise.

    I don't want to be permanently terminated....comprende

    Maisy
    Pretty scary that I can quote myself!

    Seriously, your first duty is to your self and family. Once you are onsite saving the world....they will not let you go! In a national emergency, you may be subject to martial law. We may be subject to military law.....we won't know until something happens.

    The first thing that would happen if a pandemic occurred like the flu of 1918 is total breakdown of the niceties that we call life. If anyone thinks differently, they haven't got a clue! My great grandfather, and two of my grandmother's siblings died in this flu in 1918....my great-grandmother was a nurse....she got two sick children through it. Who would've taken care of my grandmother and her sister had she been "pressed" into service?

    Both of my children are away at school....they have both been told to get their butts home if there are any "outbreaks" starting. I am deadly serious. I am not an alarmist, a self-preservationist, or even selfish..I have read the CDC site, a pandemic is a species dna strand away. I have always been healthy, and truly believe I'd survive.

    I'll help pick up the pieces.....the truth is people are going to die because they go to the hospital and gather in groups. Right now people don't have the sense to stay home with the stomach flu, or a virus....can you imagine a pandemic?

    Again, if I could have a guarentee of PPE I would be there under my terms, I will not be held prisoner...if not, not going to happen.

    JMHO,
    Maisy
  5. by   pagandeva2000
    I work to live, not live to work. If I went to work and my immediate family needed me and I was not with them, I would not be able to live with myself. I cannot possibly imagine my son being alone, who has a social phobia and does not communicate well, or my husband, who has placed me before himself to go to a place that will not appreciate me. If I know they are fine, then, I will go. If not, then, I will remain home.

    It does help, though, that my husband works at my job. My first inclination would be to get to my son and bring him with me. We would weather this storm together as a family. Period.
  6. by   pagandeva2000
    Quote from bigjim
    I AM extending the life of those I care about most. ME, and my immediate family. Anyone with a brain in their head would be scared, but lots of things are scary and we deal with them every day. I come from an EMS background. Shooting scenes, violent psych patients, all kinds of infectious pathologies, domestic violence calls, ambulance full of blood like a horror movie, all part of the daily grind. Scared has nothing to do with it. Scary is part of the job. I don't know where you get this sense of smug superiority, but if you get some sort of feeling of grandeur from believing you would violate the most basic rule of health care by failing to protect yourself first, knock yourself out.
    I feel you. And, yes, most of them that go would be knocked out...permanently.
  7. by   rnheart
    Quote from nanacarol
    I try very hard not to be judgemental, but the "me and mind mentality" is just too much for me. You and your family are not in the world alone. ing to protect yourself in the name of "Even if you stay at home to care for your little circle, you really aren't doing anything to protect them you merely are being scared and using them as a shield. Sorry, the truth is the truth. We need to let go of our ego and become one withothers. nana carol

    It is called human nature to try and survive at all cost. nana you need to get a clue
  8. by   bigjim
    Quote from nanacarol
    I try very hard not to be judgemental, but the "me and mind mentality" is just too much for me. You and your family are not in the world alone. ing to protect yourself in the name of "Even if you stay at home to care for your little circle, you really aren't doing anything to protect them you merely are being scared and using them as a shield. Sorry, the truth is the truth. We need to let go of our ego and become one withothers. nana carol
    Can I have your canned goods after you ride that high horse into the hereafter?
  9. by   grace90
    Quote from Shenanigans
    I'd wager the damage wouldn't be that bad if it got into western countries.

    We're all going to pop our clogs at some point, dying from a panademic while helping the sick and terminally ill seems as good a way as any, if not a tad noble.
    Uhm...

    Wait a moment while I swoon at the romantic idea of dying a noble death as a self-denying saint of a nurse wiping the sweating brow of dying influenza patients as I feel my body surrendering to this wretched illness.

    Ok, moment over.

    Kytril, please. Thinking this fashion has made me oh so nauseous.
  10. by   K98
    Quote from nanacarol
    I try very hard not to be judgemental, but the "me and mind mentality" is just too much for me. You and your family are not in the world alone. ing to protect yourself in the name of "Even if you stay at home to care for your little circle, you really aren't doing anything to protect them you merely are being scared and using them as a shield. Sorry, the truth is the truth. We need to let go of our ego and become one withothers. nana carol
    Me and mine, as you say, are my first priority. Fear? I've only been a nurse for two years. In my previous career, I had the chance to stare death in the face more than once. There is no shame in being afraid. That said, I'll be home with "me and mine" while you become ill and die a noble death. Hopefully, some of us will make it. If this comes to pass, some of us will need to be around to care for survivors, and of course, lay a wreath or two for nanacarol.
  11. by   Brownms46
    Quote from goju
    admin note: please note, we just added the poll to this thread (4-25-08), so please take a second and vote in the poll so we can get a graphical idea the responses. thanks

    scenario:

    h5n1 (the bird flu) mutates to become efficient at transmitting human to human causing a pandemic, with a case fatality rate of 60% and with 80% of the cases in the 0-40 year old age range.

    see:
    http://www.wpro.who.int/nr/rdonlyres.../0/s4_1113.jpg

    hospitals will be quickly overrun. hospital staff shortages are 50%. the government orders all nurses to work. there is not enough personal protection equipment (n95 masks, gloves, goggles, tamiflu, vax, etc)

    home quarantines become common (in the fed plans).
    your family is also quarantined in your home. you are running out of food and the government promises you will be "taken care of" if you report to work.

    will you go?
    if only half of the above were true, i still wouldn't go! how will the govt take care of anyone if food in such a situation!
  12. by   nanacarol
    Or maybe the rest of you should become true caregivers, servants. Remember, putting others first. Of course I would desire to save my family, but maybe by doing for someone else I would be doing just that. And I do have a life, it is just not centered around me and mine. nanacarol
  13. by   correctlywrong
    I'd go to work and stay there for the duration. I would expect that my family recieve sufficient supplies to weather the storm in quarantine, but I would take my chances doing my duty. I knew it was a possibility when I entered the profession and I wouldn't have started down this path if I hadn't already determined what I intend to do when push comes to shove.

    Someone has to provide care. Even at the risk of their own well being. The sick people are someone's family, and just as I would want a caregiver to come to work to take care of me and mine, I would want to be there to do my part. Especially with so many of you opting to stay home.

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