Nurses fired for refusing flu vaccine - page 5
While I personally do not like the flu shot either.... I have been required to get a Hep B vaccine, MMR all current, etc etc .... so not sure how this is so different?... Read More
1Jan 5, '13 by SweettartRN, ASN, BSN, MSN, LPN, RNThis will go before the Supreme Court before it's all said and done.
The employers WILL lose.
There are too many rights being violated by mandatory vaccine policies.
And this whole "it's not about me" stuff? Hogwash! It is about you. It's about personal choice, freedom, and the right to not be injected with a man-made material that doesn't even work! You want to stay healthy? Wash your darn hands..... I can't tell you how many nurses, aides, and doctors I work with that DON'T.
0Jan 5, '13 by PalmHarborMomThis debate seems to frequently come up. Yes, everyone has the freedom to decide whether or not they want to get the Flu vaccine. The hospitals also have the right to try to limit known exposure possibilities. They can not mandate what the patients or their families do. But there are choices that everyone has to make in life. The hospital chooses to enforce Flu vaccinations and employees have the choice to work for those hospitals or not. While the choices that hospital employees have may not be the ones that they want. We do not always have wonderful options for the choices we make. Sometimes, it is having a job or not having a job.
And for visitors that refuse to gown up or wear protective gear. There are are hospitals (not all) that require visitors to follow contact precautions, if they do not then they told to either follow precautions or leave. Yes, it ticks them off (at first) but once it was explained to them that their loved one was contagious and that the protection goes both ways. It protects them from what the patient has and prevents them from possibly exposing their loved one to other germs that they will have a hard time fighting off. Usually, they are much more accepting of the precautions. I do wish that all hospitals would make requirements of the visitors.Last edit by PalmHarborMom on Jan 5, '13
0Jan 5, '13 by remryreidInsane! There is not one study that proves that the flu shot is effective - yet they demand that staff be injected to mercury. They just think it might work. Pretty sad that these people deciding on who gets to keep a job are stupid! This world is screwed up. http://news.yahoo.com/nurses-fired-r...ws-health.html[/QUOTE]
0Quote from ChristineNUnderstandable bur very sad, very scary. I do the same thing. I also carry resentment against those forcing me and against myself for knuckling under.I wonder why they denied her religious exemption.
Nevertheless I get my flu shot cause I want a job.
Where ever will we find the strength, the stamina to not take the mark of the beast?
1Jan 5, '13 by Altra, BSN, RN GuideQuote from olddraggerThank you olddragger -- I kept reading post after post, incredulous that no one seemed aware of the CMS requirement.What it is basically is saying that hospitals have to report to CMS their percentage of hcw influenza vaccinations. That started in 2012. this year.
If they do not meet the percentage of vaccinations that CMS wants then they can be penalized by a reduction in amount that Medicare reimburses the hospital. Up to 2%. Two percent at the local community hospital equals to approx 30-40 million dollars per year.
If people want to believe that hospitals suddenly developed an interest in protecting their patients from influenza. Think again.
This kind of reminds me how some Nurses thought that hospitals made themselves a no smoking facility in the interest of the patient's health. REALLY???
Getting up on my soapbox now ...
Nurses -- look -- there is no way you can work in healthcare without being aware that it is a highly governmentally-regulated industry. So wouldn't it make sense to gain some knowledge, as a professional employed in the field, about the political forces affecting your industry? When you vent about "my hospital is doing this" or "my employer is doing that" do you ever ask for clarification? Do you understand which corporate decisions affecting patient care, facility administration, or employment policies are regulatory mandates ... or do you really believe that your hospital unilaterally thought these things up due to lack of anything better to do? Do you educate yourself about what role YOUR elected officials may be playing in votes affecting HHS / CMS regulations?
Eligibility | Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
Here's a link to some reading for you. Yes, it's dense, dry, and about as exciting as watching grass grow. But YOU are PAYING YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS to make decisions to form regulatory agencies, committees and task forces to do this stuff. if you think they should be doing something else with their time ... make your voice heard by YOUR representatives, and vote accordingly. And perhaps reconsider in a different light some policies made by your employer(s).
0Quote from remryreid[/QUOTE]Insane! There is not one study that proves that the flu shot is effective - yet they demand that staff be injected to mercury. They just think it might work. Pretty sad that these people deciding on who gets to keep a job are stupid! This world is screwed up. Nurses Fired for Refusing Flu Shot - Yahoo! News
What are YOU going to do about it, remryreid?
1Quote from PalmHarborMomWell, why the heck not? They could, if they had the B____s, mandate that no one could visit if unvax'ed and that no pts could be admitted/treated if not vax'ed if it's really that all-fired important., The real issue is that hospitals don't lose money by insisting that these groups get vax'ed.This debate seems to frequently come up. Yes, everyone has the freedom to decide whether or not they want to get the Flu vaccine. The hospitals also have the right to try to limit known exposure possibilities. They can not mandate what the patients or their families do.
0Jan 5, '13 by PalmHarborMomKooky Korky- It would be great if everyone got vaccinated. Currently, our officials have not made it mandatory like they have other vaccinations. Yes, I know that hospitals do have financial incentives to get a certain percentage of employees vaccinated. Like it or not, it is still a choice that we have to make. Just because we do not like the options, makes it no less a choice.
0Jan 5, '13 by OnlybyHisgraceRNIt is shame that nurses are forced to do anything for the sake of keeping their job. I get the flu vaccine as mandated by my employer. It is better than being jobless. Sorry, but a girl has to eat.
0Jan 5, '13 by esrun00Goshen Hospital Employees Fired After Refusing Mandatory Flu Shot (VIDEO)
It sounds like the religion objection were their final hope. "I believe in God and he will protect me from the flu". Each hospital in the system is responsible for the firing of the staff, so I expect there will be more terminated.
0Jan 6, '13 by GarethausPalmHarbourMum - I know the study you are talking about - I havent based my belief on just that one study. Was it discredited really, I just don't know. After all.....when you are over the target everyone is shooting at you, natch. I collect as much information as I could to form what I think. I try to find the best evidence and compare it.....
So, for one typical example, one journal I have read found that in comparison with unvaccinated children, US children who were injected with the thiomersal containing vaccine were nine times more likely to have a developmental disability - Source: Gallagher C & Goodman M 2008, ‘Hepatitis B triple series vaccine and developmental disability in US children aged 1-9 years’ Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry, vol. 90, no. 5, pp.997-1008.
And so on and so on with the research. All what I'm finding for myself is that a good case is being made for autism being caused by vaccines. Thimerosal and aluminium in vaccines are toxins with proven neurological effects. Just makes sense to me for them to be the culprit.
Saying its something else responsible for autism I feel ignores the elephant in the room. From what I've read I see that the higher the rate of vaccines being given in countries, this results in a higher rate of diagnosed autism in that country.
Quote from PalmHarborMomGarethaus- You do realize that the doctor that did the studies indicating a correlation between vaccines and autism is a fraud, right? He has lost his license and career due to this fraudulent study that sparked a huge increase in parents not vaccinating their kids. By continuing to spew this misinformation, especially by medical personnel, it only adds fuel to the fire.Last edit by Garethaus on Jan 6, '13 : Reason: perfection
2Jan 6, '13 by PalmHarborMomGarethaus- I have done an extraordinary amount of reading on Autism and vaccines because my son has Autism. Thimerosol has been used in vaccines since the 1930's; yet, there was not a uptick in Autism rates until 60 years later. I am all for more research into what causes autism but do not believe that vaccines are the answer. If it were the vaccines, there would be a consistent percentage of children that had Autism. But there are huge differences state to state, ethnicity compared to other ethnicities, and socioeconomic differences. It seems that there are states that have a 1 in 47 kids that have Autism and others that are 1 in 208; yet they all receive vaccines with Thimerosol. As of yet, I have seen no research that explains irregularities convincingly.
0Jan 6, '13 by GarethausPalmHarbourMom - why is it then so many parents on the Net report their experiences with their children becoming Autistic resulted from the administration of a vaccine/ or vaccines. Am I supposed to ignore that? I don't believe its just the thimerosal. It's not necessarily just aluminium either, I think a number of toxins / elements in the vaccines could be responsible as well for developmental problems. It could even be due to the construction methods of the vaccines themselves. The more I research, I am not finding good things related to the making and composition of vaccines. I go by evidence not feelings and evidence is pointing to something seriously wrong with vaccine manufacture.