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Flu Vaccine, enough already! - page 19

Yes, we are in flu season. And it seems you can't go anywhere without being bombarded/enticed to get the flu vaccine. A lot of times scare tactics are used also. They tried making it mandatory for... Read More

  1. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Quote from wooh
    Considering I'm allergic to a component (I suffer the days of symptoms for other vaccinations, and would even consider flu despite the allergy if it didn't require YEARLY exposure to a known allergen), I'm not going to feel bad that I consider maintaining my own airway more important than my patients.
    The guilt trip over the flu vaccination is ridiculous, as the martyrs for that cause completely ignore the fact that they're spreading other illnesses while they smugly walk around flu vaccinated.
    My intent is not to put people on a guilt trip or force my view on anyone; it's to try to engage on an semi-educated debate on the benefits/pitfalls of flu vaccination of HCPs. I welcome varying viewpoints. I would NEVER recommend a vaccination to someone who is allergic to a component of the vaccine. I refuse to vaccinate clients b/c of prior vaccine reactions or other contrindications or precautions to vaccination and refer them to their PCP. In the same respect, why would you call those who get the flu vaccine "'martyrs' who walk around smugly" if you don't like being judged for opting out of being vaccinated?
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  2. Visit  Glycerine82 profile page
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    It's not unreasonable if your sick or if you can't get the flu vaccine. I was just stating my opinion, if you aren't able to get the vaccine that is a totally different situation than someone who could and just doesn't want to for comfort reasons. I said that's what I found shocking, and I do. You are speaking of a situation on which I said nothin about. Anyway, I'm not into arguing on he Internet. Just wanted to share my opinion. Be well

    "No day but today"
  3. Visit  GitanoRN profile page
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    And the Beat goes on~
  4. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Lets take a poll ---

    How many people are allergic to a component in infleunza vaccine? Raise your hand.

    Which component are you allergic to?
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  5. Visit  notpuurfctbtgdenghns profile page
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    Also, having read through some of CDC info on flu vaccine, I would also weigh in on the severity of the allergy reaction to any component of the vaccine and if I would need to visit an allergy specialist.
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  6. Visit  wooh profile page
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    Quote from YouwishiwasyourCNA
    It's not unreasonable if your sick or if you can't get the flu vaccine. I was just stating my opinion, if you aren't able to get the vaccine that is a totally different situation than someone who could and just doesn't want to for comfort reasons. I said that's what I found shocking, and I do. You are speaking of a situation on which I said nothin about. Anyway, I'm not into arguing on he Internet. Just wanted to share my opinion. Be well

    "No day but today"
    What reason are you not able to wear a mask throughout your shift? Is it for a reason other than comfort reasons? SHOCKING if you don't wear a mask to prevent spreading rhinovirus or RSV or parainfluenzae or pertussis or.... for mere comfort reasons.

    Quote from notpuurfctbtgdenghns
    Also, having read through some of CDC info on flu vaccine, I would also weigh in on the severity of the allergy reaction to any component of the vaccine and if I would need to visit an allergy specialist.
    The visit to the allergy specialist would be at whose cost?
  7. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    Quote from notpuurfctbtgdenghns
    Also, having read through some of CDC info on flu vaccine, I would also weigh in on the severity of the allergy reaction to any component of the vaccine and if I would need to visit an allergy specialist.
    I agree, and I do further assess the severity and whether it is a true allergy. I sometimes mention desensitization as an option to discuss with their doc. I refer them to their PCP primarily b/c I want to be careful to stay within my scope of practice. We don't always have an M.D. availaible to make the judgment call; I work in the public health setting.
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    Quote from sbruc002
    I sometimes mention desensitization as an option to discuss with their doc.
    Which would be at whose cost?
  9. Visit  mariebailey profile page
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    I simultaneously write them a blank check & tell them "It's on me!"
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  10. Visit  expipe profile page
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    I truly believe the flu vaccine is bogus and not only that but dangerous. The adjuvents added to recent vaccines like squalene are unnecessary. They send your immune system into overddrive. I have spent a lot of time reading the fine print on recent vaccines and I dont want any thankyou. Had a flu vaccine in 2003 and got deathly ill, could not walk for 5 days. No vaccine since and never had flu again. They asked Dr Oz last year on tv if his kids were getting the flu vaccine and he said NO. Since then he has changed his tune because he was forced to by media. They even admitted that this last round of vaccine was practically useless. They have a lot of uselss vaccine and no where to peddle it, so they have to scare you or force you to take it. What unbelievable crap.
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  11. Visit  CrunchRN profile page
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    Quote from mariebailey
    I simultaneously write them a blank check & tell them "It's on me!"
    LOL! Best comment on this whole thread.

    You would think the vaccine was the black plague. I have taken it for 20 years and been just fine. 21 years ago I missed and had the flu and it was awful.

    That said, if people don't want to take then I don't think it is worth forcing them too. We cannot protect everyone (patients, staff, joe blow) from everything.
  12. Visit  Laidback Al profile page
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    Is this another inflammatory post by a hit and run anti-vaccer?
    Quote from expipe
    I truly believe the flu vaccine is bogus and not only that but dangerous. The adjuvents added to recent vaccines like squalene are unnecessary. They send your immune system into overddrive. I have spent a lot of time reading the fine print on recent vaccines and I dont want any thankyou. Had a flu vaccine in 2003 and got deathly ill, could not walk for 5 days. No vaccine since and never had flu again. They asked Dr Oz last year on tv if his kids were getting the flu vaccine and he said NO. Since then he has changed his tune because he was forced to by media. They even admitted that this last round of vaccine was practically useless. They have a lot of uselss vaccine and no where to peddle it, so they have to scare you or force you to take it. What unbelievable crap.
    I am astounded at the unbelievable crap that trained professions believe from TV and internet personalities, e.g. Dr. Oz and Dr. Mercola.

    For an actual science-based critique of Dr. Mercola comments about squalene, see this link at:
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...little-secret/

    As for squalene - No, it is not, and has not been, a component of influenza vaccines in the USA. But where it has been used it was found to have no adverse effect on people vaccinated with it.

    For example, MF-59, a special formulation of squalene by Novartis, is used as a vaccine adjuvant in Europe. From a recent article in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology -

    "Our study of more than 4500 pregnant women is the largest comparative safety study of an MF59-adjuvanted vaccine in pregnancy and one of the largest studies with prospective follow-up of pregnant women for any vaccine.
    We did not find any adverse effect of the MF59-adjuvanted A/H1N1 vaccine on the ongoing pregnancy or on the health of the mother or the newborns. The rates of gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, abortions, stillbirth, low birthweight, prematurity, neonatal deaths, and congenital malformations among the more than 2000 vaccinated women and their offspring showed no increase compared with those in unvaccinated controls."
    Full research article here: http://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-93...744-2/fulltext

    Expipe also stated "I have spent a lot of time reading the fine print on recent vaccines and I don't want any thank you." Below I have posted links to the package inserts for all USA influenza vaccines for the 2012-2013 season. Perhaps expipe would be willing to explain to us what "bad" ingredients are included in this year's vaccines.

    Package Insert - AFLURIA (PDF - 230KB)
    Package Insert - Agriflu (PDF - 117KB)
    Package Insert - FluLaval (PDF - 149KB)
    Package Insert - Fluvirin (PDF - 235KB)


    Package Insert - FluMist (PDF - 536KB)
  13. Visit  notpuurfctbtgdenghns profile page
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    Quote from expipe
    I truly believe the flu vaccine is bogus and not only that but dangerous. The adjuvents added to recent vaccines like squalene are unnecessary. They send your immune system into overddrive. I have spent a lot of time reading the fine print on recent vaccines and I dont want any thankyou. Had a flu vaccine in 2003 and got deathly ill, could not walk for 5 days. No vaccine since and never had flu again. They asked Dr Oz last year on tv if his kids were getting the flu vaccine and he said NO. Since then he has changed his tune because he was forced to by media. They even admitted that this last round of vaccine was practically useless. They have a lot of uselss vaccine and no where to peddle it, so they have to scare you or force you to take it. What unbelievable crap.
    I really wonder what expipe would do if expipe was responsible for the care of children or those who can not represent themselves.


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