What is a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) and Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice? - page 2

what is doctor of nursing practice (dnp) and doctor of nurse anesthesia practice (dnap)? what is the aana’s official position statement on doctoral education and where can i view it? the aana... Read More

  1. Visit  stanman1968 profile page
    1. Then do not worry about it
    2. tell that to the pharm d's and the rest
    3. ignore the issue and quit posting on a nursing board.
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  3. Visit  Designer NP profile page
    Quick question...
    Can someone tell me why they want to change the entry level of NP's to DNP in 2015 and CRNA's in 2025?
  4. Visit  loveanesthesia profile page
    Quote from NurseCutie
    Quick question...
    Can someone tell me why they want to change the entry level of NP's to DNP in 2015 and CRNA's in 2025?
    Nurse anesthesia has moved slower because of a concern that the current nurse anesthesia programs needed more time to develop qualified factulty.

    AACN has taken the position that all Advanced Practice Nursing programs must grant a Clinical Doctorate by 2015 (as stated elsewhere, APN's currently in practice would be grandfathered). About half of Nurse Anesthesia programs grant a MSN, and are therefore under the accreditation guidelines of CCNE (the accrediting body affiliated with AACN, they are seperate organizations). All nurse anesthesia programs are accredited by the COA, so some are accredited by both CCNE & COA. Those programs only accredited by COA are not affected by CCNE, but AANA, after discussion determined that CRNAs did not want to be the only APN group that did not move to the clinical doctorate. AANA came out with a position statement stating that the Clinical Doctorate should become the education level required for entry to practice by 2025. There was concern that if the move was made quicker, ie 2015, some of the current nurse anesthesia programs would be threatened because that was too fast for them to obtain qualified faculty. The COA has interpreted 2025 to mean that all who graduate from a nurse anesthesia program in 2025 must have a clinical doctorate, meaning that actually programs will have to start educating at the clinical doctorate level by 2022.
  5. Visit  SpouseofChicagoCRNA profile page
    Are there any MDA programs which will take CRNAs and give any kind of credit for courses taken and experience which might shorten the program and yet yield a MDA rather than a DNA?
  6. Visit  UMAshtangi profile page
    Doctor does NOT mean "one who practices medicine." It comes from the Latin "docere" which means "teacher." Many people in many fields have the terminal degree of Doctor. How many professors in college did you call "Doctor?" A more appropriate term for one who practices medicine is "Physician."

    Second, to SpouseofChicagoCRNA, NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! There are not, and should not be MDA programs that accept CRNAs because they are two entirely different practices. Physicians practice medicine. Nurses (and CRNAs) practice nursing. Are you trying to be a "doctor's wife?" (i joke....kinda)

    Last edit by sirI on Sep 19, '09
  7. Visit  UMAshtangi profile page
    In addition to my post above, it's obvious that some of you here aren't in the field of nursing. If you're not a nurse, student nurse, interested in becoming a nurse, you may find other discussion boards which suit you better.

    We're all here to help the patient, and we can all work as a team to do that. If you're afraid that we're going to somehow going to drive down your salary than perhaps it's necessary to rethink your motives of becoming a MDA. Is it because you have a genuine love for practicing anesthesia, or were there other motivators? It's okay to be motivated by financial gain, but please don't forget that we can all collaborate for the good of the patient.

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  8. Visit  mmm333 profile page
    It's hard to believe that this discussion is even taking place. I'm assuming that most people here have been to college or university and understand that many of their professors have doctorates in philosophy, economics, law, and yes- business and nursing as well.

    I know a veteran MSN psych nurse who wanted to get deeper into women's crisis / rape stuff and got her doctorate and now is a first-line responder/rape trauma counselor. What the heck is wrong with that?

    I think it's the medical establishment who is imagining this stuff to be a threat to their status quo and that's why they are so supportive of the PA movement- which ends at the MS level btw.

    I wonder, if nurses just called it a PhD rather than DNP and pretended not to know anything about science, would MDs feel less threatened?

    Nursing is a collaborative and complementary field, not a redundant and inferior field of medicine. To call it so is simply wrongheaded, insulting, and patently false.
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  9. Visit  elkpark profile page
    Quote from maximilian333
    I wonder, if nurses just called it a PhD rather than DNP and pretended not to know anything about science, would MDs feel less threatened?
    Well, the problem with that idea is that the DNP degree is nowhere close to being a PhD (and nursing doesn't get to redefine what a PhD consists of ), and plenty of people have PhDs in the various sciences (like, say, most science faculty in any university) and know a lot more science than MDs. So I doubt the MDs would be terribly reassured ...
  10. Visit  mmm333 profile page
    By 2015 even the entry-level RN is going to need to fathom the amazing plethora of new drugs, genetic therapies, and new medicine that are now just emerging. I can understand why they are putting forward pressure on this issue.

    As for the poster mige below, do you really think that nurses want to obtain a DNP degree so that they can call themselves "doctor" or actually equate themselves with MDs? If so, that's just paranoid. Your arguments seem to suggest that nursing education & self-actualization should simply end with the MSN, unless they do something safe like get a PhD in Nursing and go into teaching. By your logic, we should not let lawyers obtain their doctoral degrees in a mere 3 years either.
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  11. Visit  aCRNAhopeful profile page
    One concern I have (as a wannabe CRNA) is that this new practice doctorate will be focused too much on "leadership" or general nursing classes instead of going deeper into the hard science of anesthesia and disease processes etc. I know CRNA school is intense and basically teaches you everything you need to practice safely but surely there is more in terms of science that can be learned. The only dnap cirriculum i have looked into is from VCU, there may be more programs now that are more science based but I havent seen them. Anyone else have similar thoughts on this issue?
  12. Visit  Pass the Gas profile page
    Quote from Jubilayhee
    I think it is just a way to confuse people into thinking nurses are doctors, when really they aint. ANA cleary has an agenda and an inferiority complex. If you want to be called a doctor go to med school school plain and simple.

    First of all check your grammer. Aint??? Come on.

    Tell me, do Dentists want people to think they are doctors, what about audiologists, podiatrists, physicial therapists, pharmacists? They are all called doctors. A title of Doctor is defined as the highest level of education, this could be in any field. You are thinking of physicians. Use the word physicians. There is no nurse that wants to be known as a physician, but nurses can be called doctors. Do some research on higher education
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  13. Visit  Pass the Gas profile page
    Quote from mige
    The DNP is another glorify easy degree, its purpose was to make/prepare better clinical nurses but if you look at the curriculum of almost all DNP programs you wont find more than 2 classes that involve clinical medicine.

    Its funny that the Purdue DNP program states 192 hours of residency, As a 3rd year resident IM I do that in less than 3 weeks working 80 hours per week.

    Its a joke and that's why even the nurse community can find a common ground on this topic.

    Not a very well thought out answer here. Basically, in the very near future, nurses will take on more responsibility in healthcare. They will be front line primary care practitionars. Get your facts correct about Purdue's DNP, it is not just 192 hours of residency. This program is for people who already are an advanced practice nurse and already have a Master's Degree. Typically these people have done years of clinical work. So, let's say they have worked for 3 years, well that is 6,240 hours already!!! Be very careful on what you quote from websites and take the time to read.
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  14. Visit  Pass the Gas profile page
    Quote from SpouseofChicagoCRNA
    Are there any MDA programs which will take CRNAs and give any kind of credit for courses taken and experience which might shorten the program and yet yield a MDA rather than a DNA?

    Ahh no, and why would you want to become an MDA?? Watch what the future brings, there are going to be more and more CRNA's and less and less MDA's. MDA's are too expensive. Healthcare is finally figuring that out. Nurse Anesthetists provide the same quality of care as MDA's without any higher morbidity or mortality.
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