What is a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) and Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice?

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Compared to what? A masters in education that takes a year?

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That's one example, I just took a quick look at Columbia's wesite. Their MBA program requires 18 months of full-time study over 21 months (2 academic years with the summer off). A Master in Biotechnology can be done in a 1 year intensive program, meaning it's a full 12 months, you don't get the summer off. I had to look at the Master's in Philosophical Foundations of Physics (I've never heard of such a degree). It's 2 full time semester's and then you must write a thesis, it actually sounds really interesting-I must be getting older. The Columbia Nurse Anesthesia program in contrast is 27 months of full time study with no breaks.

I can understand the AA reaction to the DNP or DNAP, you have a reason to feel threatened.

The DNP is another glorify easy degree, its purpose was to make/prepare better clinical nurses but if you look at the curriculum of almost all DNP programs you wont find more than 2 classes that involve clinical medicine.

Its funny that the Purdue DNP program states 192 hours of residency, As a 3rd year resident IM I do that in less than 3 weeks working 80 hours per week.

Its a joke and that's why even the nurse community can find a common ground on this topic.

Currently, "almost all" DNP programs are designed for people who have an MSN and are already practicing advanced practice nurses (NPs, CRNAs, CNSs, CNMs) to return to school and complete (only) the additional coursework necessary for the DNP degree. That's why they appear to have so little clinical content. If you want to look at clinical content, please be sure that you're looking at a program designed for those who are not already practicing clinicians.

1. Then do not worry about it
2. tell that to the pharm d's and the rest
3. ignore the issue and quit posting on a nursing board.

Quick question...
Can someone tell me why they want to change the entry level of NP's to DNP in 2015 and CRNA's in 2025?

Nurse anesthesia has moved slower because of a concern that the current nurse anesthesia programs needed more time to develop qualified factulty.

AACN has taken the position that all Advanced Practice Nursing programs must grant a Clinical Doctorate by 2015 (as stated elsewhere, APN's currently in practice would be grandfathered). About half of Nurse Anesthesia programs grant a MSN, and are therefore under the accreditation guidelines of CCNE (the accrediting body affiliated with AACN, they are seperate organizations). All nurse anesthesia programs are accredited by the COA, so some are accredited by both CCNE & COA. Those programs only accredited by COA are not affected by CCNE, but AANA, after discussion determined that CRNAs did not want to be the only APN group that did not move to the clinical doctorate. AANA came out with a position statement stating that the Clinical Doctorate should become the education level required for entry to practice by 2025. There was concern that if the move was made quicker, ie 2015, some of the current nurse anesthesia programs would be threatened because that was too fast for them to obtain qualified faculty. The COA has interpreted 2025 to mean that all who graduate from a nurse anesthesia program in 2025 must have a clinical doctorate, meaning that actually programs will have to start educating at the clinical doctorate level by 2022.

Are there any MDA programs which will take CRNAs and give any kind of credit for courses taken and experience which might shorten the program and yet yield a MDA rather than a DNA?

Doctor does NOT mean "one who practices medicine." It comes from the Latin "docere" which means "teacher." Many people in many fields have the terminal degree of Doctor. How many professors in college did you call "Doctor?" A more appropriate term for one who practices medicine is "Physician."

Second, to SpouseofChicagoCRNA, NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!! There are not, and should not be MDA programs that accept CRNAs because they are two entirely different practices. Physicians practice medicine. Nurses (and CRNAs) practice nursing. Are you trying to be a "doctor's wife?" (i joke....kinda)



Namaste.

In addition to my post above, it's obvious that some of you here aren't in the field of nursing. If you're not a nurse, student nurse, interested in becoming a nurse, you may find other discussion boards which suit you better.

We're all here to help the patient, and we can all work as a team to do that. If you're afraid that we're going to somehow going to drive down your salary than perhaps it's necessary to rethink your motives of becoming a MDA. Is it because you have a genuine love for practicing anesthesia, or were there other motivators? It's okay to be motivated by financial gain, but please don't forget that we can all collaborate for the good of the patient.

Namaste.

It's hard to believe that this discussion is even taking place. I'm assuming that most people here have been to college or university and understand that many of their professors have doctorates in philosophy, economics, law, and yes- business and nursing as well.

I know a veteran MSN psych nurse who wanted to get deeper into women's crisis / rape stuff and got her doctorate and now is a first-line responder/rape trauma counselor. What the heck is wrong with that?

I think it's the medical establishment who is imagining this stuff to be a threat to their status quo and that's why they are so supportive of the PA movement- which ends at the MS level btw.

I wonder, if nurses just called it a PhD rather than DNP and pretended not to know anything about science, would MDs feel less threatened?

Nursing is a collaborative and complementary field, not a redundant and inferior field of medicine. To call it so is simply wrongheaded, insulting, and patently false.