CPM VS. BSN

xxdiscoxxheaven · Jul 27, 2015

I think the safer, more respected route would be to continue on your path to become an RN and then get a master's to become a certified nurse midwife. CPM's scope of practice is much more limited and they aren't allowed to deliver in hospitals in most areas across the country. If you love OB, continue with your RN studies, possibly work as an OB tech or doula, and then go from there. It may take more time and be a little more difficult bur it's probably a safer choice in the long term.

Sammis1CNP2b · Jul 27, 2015

From my knowledge of also recently discovering the Midwifery life, CPM is only recognized in some states so be sure to check the guidelines for your state. I hope it all works out for you!

FutureNurseKali · Jul 27, 2015

Thank you very much. I appreciate your advice. Looks like I still have some soul searching to do.

queenanneslace, ADN, MSN, APRN, CNM · Jul 28, 2015

I would like some advice from people who have been thru this phase, what was the deciding factor for you? Do you regret your CPM training? Can you make a suitable living? If working with pregnant women and babies is really my passion does it make sense to obtain a nursing degree?

What was the deciding factor?

That is such a long answer - and a question that has been answered by myself and others on these discussion forums. Do a search for CPM vc CNM here and see what you find. For many of us on the CPM to CNM path, it was a long, slow unraveling.

Do you regret your CPM training?

Yes and No. There were some good things about it, and I learned some valuable things. Probably the most valuable thing I learned during my CPM training is it is not a credential I want to pursue any longer, and I have no regrets about pursuing my CNM.

Can you make a suitable living?

Not really. Not financially. Or socially. Or sanely.

If working with pregnant women and babies is really my passion does it make sense to obtain a nursing degree?

ABSOLUTELY! Yes. Unequivocally. Yes. You will be better trained and you will be able to help many more women and babies.

cayenne06, MSN, CNM · Jul 29, 2015

I became a CPM in 2006 and a CNM just a couple months ago. Search my posts, I've said a lot on this topic!

FutureNurseKali · Jul 29, 2015

Cayenne06 Do you regret doing CPM first? Do you still have contact with people who have preferred to stay within the CPM route? I do know that taking the route to CNM is probably the most secure because you can work in any of the 50 states without red tape. I'm planning on moving back to California anyway though, where CPM and CM status is honored and you can practice in a wide scope of places. There are just so many obstacles with nursing school and it's not very flexible here. All of the programs I've researched have been full-time daytime and I currently work full-time. I'm trying to shy away from LPN, which I have been accepted to. Mainly because I'm creating another step for myself to go thru before intimately becoming an RN and being able to practice labor and delivery. At this point things are very confusing ðŸ˜”

**LibraSunCNM, BSN, MSN, CNM** · Jul 29, 2015

queenanneslace and cayenne---curious about the pay for a CPM. You've mentioned that it's not really a good living. How much did you generally find CPMs charged each patient per birth? Was it less because insurances wouldn't usually cover birth with a CPM? The homebirth CNMs I know all make bank.

queenanneslace, ADN, MSN, APRN, CNM · Jul 29, 2015

queenanneslace and cayenne---curious about the pay for a CPM. You've mentioned that it's not really a good living. How much did you generally find CPMs charged each patient per birth? Was it less because insurances wouldn't usually cover birth with a CPM? The homebirth CNMs I know all make bank.

CPM pay? I'll put it this way - for being a solo business owner in a profession that has phenomenal responsibility and liability, a 24/7/365 on call schedule and a credential that is not recognized academically by any other profession, the pay is not enough.

Sometimes CPMs were reimbursed quite handsomely for some births by some insurers. Other times the pay was a barter agreement with the client that included a back massage and a loaf of banana bread. And you have to remember, that even if the midwife is taking in $3000k per birth (which is a modest income) - that is the business income, not her salary, or her employees salaries (hardy har har har har!!!). It doesn't take into account the overhead of running the business.

Most CPMs I knew were lacking in business skills - (business training is not part of the educational curriculum) so they don't even really understand it themselves - and struggle to make a living. Dollars in do not equal salary, benefits, time off, retirement..... for the most part it's a solo business. With no potential for career development. The CPM is a terminal credential. That's it.

**LibraSunCNM, BSN, MSN, CNM** · Jul 29, 2015

Thanks for your insight, that's really good to know.

cayenne06, MSN, CNM · Aug 1, 2015

. Other times the pay was a barter agreement with the client that included a back massage and a loaf of banana bread.

And there is this idea that midwifery is a calling, and we should be lucky to get any payment for our work because isn't that warm fuzzy feeling enough compensation?!

This was actually a big reason I went back for my CNM. In Florida, we were lucky enough to be able to accept medicaid and private insurance for home and birth center births, but in most states CPMs are not licensed and therefore can't easily get insurance reimbursement. So either I would work for practically free in order to serve lower income women, or only be able to take care of the rich ladies who could afford to pay privately. I'm sorry, but while I have the utmost respect for every woman and her childbearing experience, I didn't go into midwifery to help affluent women have beautiful home births. I went into midwifery to serve ALL women, in all areas of reproductive health, regardless of their socioeconomic status.

With no potential for career development. The CPM is a terminal credential. That's it.

And that right there is the cold harsh truth. After my daughter was diagnosed with ataxia telangiectasia and I decided to leave my birth center/home birth practice, I worked as a medical assistant for 10 dollars an hour. Because my CPM credential means nothing if you aren't actually working as a CPM. And not a single credit from my direct-entry midwifery school transferred to my RN or CNM schools. Not a one. (And for good reason, too, IMO)

I don't regret my CPM education, especially because my parents paid for it (haha). I feel it gave me valuable experience and helped me buld a foundation that respects a woman's right to autonomy. But if I am being objective, my decision to pursue CPM school right out of high school (instead of nursing school like my parents thought I should!) cost me a ton of money over the long term (both because my parents weren't about to pay when I decided I really DID want to go back to nursing/CNM school!) and because of the many many years of delay before I was able to start making a CNM salary.

I also came out of CPM school with a lot of woo, misinformation, and a wary attitude toward "mainstream" medicine. Took me a while to detox, and now I bristle at the idea that holistic midwifery (or nursing) mean eschewing pharmaceuticals for homeopathy and chiropractic care. ARGH! That's not what holistic means!

Clearly I still have some baggage lol

queenanneslace, ADN, MSN, APRN, CNM · Aug 2, 2015

I didn't go into midwifery to help affluent women have beautiful home births. I went into midwifery to serve ALL women, in all areas of reproductive health, regardless of their socioeconomic status.

This. Right on. Amen, sister.