help with groin sheath pulls - any pointers?
- 0Jun 9, '09 by kcmosueI recently took a job in a Cardiovascular recovery unit, partly because of the hours and partly because it is so close to home that I can get to work in <10 without driving on the highway..a real perk in the winter. We have 7 beds. Our cath lab isn't all that busy yet, so we don't see more than 3 - 4 caths returning to us on any good day, and usually far less. At least 70% have closure devices, which is lovely...but on those 20-30 percent that require a sheath pull, I am having a heck of a time. I've been an RN a long time, but my experience with sheath pulls can be counted on one hand prior to this job.
I am inconsistent with my control, and I think I am having trouble knowing where to place my fingertips. I feel for a femoral pulse, but either because of nerves or age (I'm 52) I don't REALLY know if I'm feeling it or not sometimes...especially when the pt is female and has a fat pad there. I attempt to place my fingers above (maybe 1 fingerbreath) and medial to the groin site...but today I had a lot of trouble getting control, had to use 2 hands quickly and then covered the site and repositioned my hands with success....it felt like an eternity to me, but was probably less than a minute.
My biggest problem is the educator. She is much younger than me (most are), and seems to think that sheath pulls should be my favorite thing to do. As I have not been checked off on all my required, she, or someone, has to be there when I pull. I'm not shirking my responsibilities, but if I live a million years and never see another groin sheath it won't bother me. Am I the only nurse out there that feels this way?
ANyway, any pointers would be appreciated. I've thought about doppling the pulse to get a better idea of placement, but then I'd have to wipe off the gel and it IS a sterile area, so.....
- 1Jun 13, '09 by CABG patch kidYou mentioned placing your fingers and I'm wondering exactly how you hold the site after you pull, meaning, do you use your fist? For example, picture the pt has a sheath in the right groin. I would stand on the right side of the bed, check for the femoral pulse, then place my left FIST lightly where the pulse is, just above the actual puncture site, ready to place pressure. Then with my right hand, begin pulling the sheath. As soon as the sheath leaves the skin, push down pressure with my left fist, using my right hand to stablize my fist, usually around the wrist (so you are using both hands). Then I have my other nursing buddy in the room lower the bed for me, so I can lean my body weight down on the pt (my first sheath pull was a bleeder who squirted across the room, so now I'm paranoid). If you use your body weight rather than just pushing with your arms and shoulders, you will feel less fatigue.
This method has seemed to work well for me. You may have to adjust your fist a bit if you see some oozing you may not quite be in the right spot. Generally I don't like to move around too much, I don't switch off between hands, I just take the pain as a sacrifice to keep my patient from bleeding to death. No, sheath pulls are not fun! They are time consuming and my hands do fall asleep, but it is a satisfying feeling when you are done.
- 1Jun 13, '09 by mmcmarshI guess everyone has their own method. When I pull a sheath, I first feel for a femoral pulse. Then, while the sheath is still in, I have someone dopple a pedal pulse and I apply a small amount of pressure to where I think I'm going to hold and listen. If you are in the right spot...you'll hear it. When I pull, I hold my hand in a c position. My thumb rests on the iliac crest and my 3 fingers across the femoral artery. It is kind of hard to explain without a visual. This is the way our cardiologists and cath lab staff have taught us. Really, if you have your hand in the right place...2 or 3 fingers should be enough.
- 0Jun 13, '09 by kcmosueThat is absoultely the best advice I think I've heard! I essentially do have my hand in a "c" position, but I like the doppler idea. I think that would help me verify that I do have my finger on the femoral pulse and the right pressure point.
Since i"m not "checked off" to do this, I always have someone "monitoring" my attempts, usually the critical care educator...who, by the way, isn't much of a help, she has not given me any pointers but expects me to complete 7 pulls and then be skilled enough to do it...I think if I used this doppler method, my confidence level would go up, and I wouldn't feel like I was "guessing" every time I pull. I'm not sure that I want to do the fist technique, I think the educator would have a cow. although I'm sure it would be easier on my arm/hand.
Thanks for the tip!
- 0Jun 14, '09 by JF808RnI have tried that "Hand Clamp" technique and using the fist technique also and I have to say that I like the fist technique much better! But I assess for a fem pulse first, then position myself to the side of the sheath, apply slight pressure above the art. sheath or below for a ven. sheath. then simultaneously pull and press with body weight. Hope this helps!
- 1Jun 16, '09 by JustMeLike CABG Patch Kid I use my fist. I note where the sheath is inserted and place my fist above the site, then pull. There are other considerations before pulling a sheath tho. I won't pull a sheath if the patient's BP is too high--i.e. >140 systolic. In our facility we wait until the ACT is <150. I also premedicate and give a fluid bolus before pulling the sheath. I hold firm pressure for about 10mins (depending on the ACT), then start peeking at the site to confirm control. I usually have to hold the site for about 20mins if everything else is in place.
I've been pulling sheaths for over 20 years and it's just a matter of confidence in your skills and having a resource available to you. Just so you don't feel alone out there, the literature indicates a variety of issues regarding sheath pulling. It seems that complications are more in line with pre-existing conditions rather than the method used to pull the sheath.
- 0Jun 18, '09 by anurseukI don't work in a cath lab but have taken large femoral lines out. When removing IABPs we use a femstop device (which works a treat). Our surgeons tend to be a bit messy but we had a cardiology pt so the cardiologist came up to remove IABP, put the femstop on half inflated just above puncture site and removed, quickly inflated. NO BLOOD!
When I've recieved emergencies from cathlabs who have had radial catheters they quite often come up with a cuff inflated which works the same as a fem stop.
- 0Jun 28, '09 by nursej22I have trouble occluding the femoral artery with just 2 fingers--my nails with dig into the patient and I just don't have enough strength or flexibility in my wrists to do the hand clamp method anymore. Instead I place 2 fingers of my left hand on the artery and apply more pressure on top with my right hand knuckles, for about 2 minutes total occlusion (sat monitor pleth on pt's great toe works well), and then gradually back off. On a chubby person, I will fold up a 4x4 to a 2x 1/2 inch pad and use it to keep my fingers from digging in.
Those hard calcified arteries are the worst! They feel like a piece of steel wire under your fingers and will slip out from under your fingers.
- 0Jul 27, '09 by BuddykenWith two fingers, I always get tired as I was pushing very hard on the artery. I wonder if I can just pressure the artery with 4X4 or 2X2 gauze. I had a patient with calcified artery once, I had very hard time to hold the artery. I got it stop bleeding with someone else help. I am very interested in the fist technique. Please give me some advices. Thank you.