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I just received a bad news. My nursing career is over. Yes, I am no longer one of you, but I feel a need to share my story. I have failed the CRNE for the third time and honestly, I don't know what... Read More

  1. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime profile page
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    Quote from tahitianmoon
    I also believe that it is not an insult to LPN's to have a BScN student write the LPN exam. Last I recall the BScN program covers the LPN content plus a lot more. It is a very difficult program to get into and to finish, so anyone finishing the 4 year degree is very qualified in my opinion. A student of the 4 year program also has double the debt and took a longer route to being a nurse, thus they should get their chance to work in the field even if through the LPN.
    Qualified for what? All a university degree qualifies on for is to say they have a degree in whatever. The proof is in the pudding... The ultimate qualifier is the CRNE. Anyone can memorize a truckload of facts, but not everyone can then apply those memorized facts to a real-life situation. I've memorized a million facts about pharmaceuticals, but that doesn't qualify me to be a pharmacist, or even a pharmacy tech. I'd never consider insisting that I be given the opportunity to write either a pharmacy licensing exam or a pharmacy tech certification exam, because I'm NOT qualified.

    So you're another advocate of the consolation prize. What happens if these people go on to fail the CPRNE three times?

    Quote from joanna73
    Just because someone has debt and finished a 4 year program, this should not entitle them to write the LPN exam. Those people in essence are being afforded special treatment which isn't fair to LPNs or the RNs who passed their exam within the three chances. We can agree to disagree, but it amazes me how some people are reasoning this issue. If that's the case, why can't experienced LPNs write the CRNE then? Maybe everyone who fails the exams should be allowed to keep writing until they pass.
    When a person goes into this endeavor of becoming a nurse, they do it knowing that there's a big national exam at the end of it. They're also reminded many times during the course of their education that this big, national exam is coming and that there are only three chances to pass. After the first failure, what do they do? Do they analyze the exam itself and their results then adjust their studying to improve their outcomes? (Nursing process: Assess, diagnose, plan, implement, evaluate!) After a second failure, what do they do? I believe Einstein said it best: Insanity is the definition of continuing to do the same thing over and over but expecting different results. Colin Powell said, "There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work and learning from failure." That's as true of passing the CRNE as it is of anything else. Three attempts are more than enough. Perhaps we should change the rules for everything under the sun so that no one ever fails at anything.
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  2. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    To those of you advocating for repeats....well, many of the people who were unsuccessful last June and October, it was no surprise, really. They either did not prepare properly, and/ or were lacking with both clinical and theoretical knowledge all the way through the program. Many of us passed, and we could see the people who were not going to make it long before they were unsuccessful with the CRNE.
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  3. Visit  Life03 profile page
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    Hello, I would like to state if it is unfair or insulting for an “RN” graduate to write the RPN exam then how is it fair for an RPN to be able to write the CRNE after only 2 years of extra education? Shouldn’t every RPN go through the full 4 year RN program to be eligible?
    The scope of practice for both RN and RPN is significantly different, and if people state in the hospital the RPN can do exact the same thing as the RN then obviously that is not right. Both have different set of competencies and both cannot do the same controlled act. I do not think the CRNE is a basic exam, it requires a lot of critical thinking and is an overall difficult exam. I am sure so is the RPN exam, but overall both exams require you to study efficiently.
    My advice to anyone taking the CRNE in the future, take the exam seriously this is your future whether the school prepared you or not you are responsible for passing the exam. You know the set of rules you might not agree with it but in order to work as a nurse in Canada you have to play by the rules. Good luck in your careers which ever path you may choose.
  4. Visit  Fiona59 profile page
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    Quote from Life03
    Hello, I would like to state if it is unfair or insulting for an “RN” graduate to write the RPN exam then how is it fair for an RPN to be able to write the CRNE after only 2 years of extra education? Shouldn’t every RPN go through the full 4 year RN program to be eligible?
    The scope of practice for both RN and RPN is significantly different, and if people state in the hospital the RPN can do exact the same thing as the RN then obviously that is not right. Both have different set of competencies and both cannot do the same controlled act. I do not think the CRNE is a basic exam, it requires a lot of critical thinking and is an overall difficult exam. I am sure so is the RPN exam, but overall both exams require you to study efficiently.
    My advice to anyone taking the CRNE in the future, take the exam seriously this is your future whether the school prepared you or not you are responsible for passing the exam. You know the set of rules you might not agree with it but in order to work as a nurse in Canada you have to play by the rules. Good luck in your careers which ever path you may choose.
    Your post just illustrates what you don't know about PN education. We graduate with all the university transferable Arts classes required for electives in the BScN programme. Our education (or at least my schools) included a huge pharmacology course that was more indepth than the local RN programmes.

    It is widely acknowledged that the diploma programme running in Alberta and Ontario is based on the two year diploma RN programme that ended in 2009. So, two years of PN education, a successful CPNRE and 1700 hours of work experience (required here in Alberta) to enter year three of a nursing degree isn't unreasonable.

    Your profile doesn't give any background info on your nursing career. Did you pass CRNE or are you someone that "deserves" a crack at CPNRE just because?
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    Quote from Fiona59
    Your post just illustrates what you don't know about PN education. We graduate with all the university transferable Arts classes required for electives in the BScN programme. Our education (or at least my schools) included a huge pharmacology course that was more indepth than the local RN programmes.

    It is widely acknowledged that the diploma programme running in Alberta and Ontario is based on the two year diploma RN programme that ended in 2009. So, two years of PN education, a successful CPNRE and 1700 hours of work experience (required here in Alberta) to enter year three of a nursing degree isn't unreasonable.

    Your profile doesn't give any background info on your nursing career. Did you pass CRNE or are you someone that "deserves" a crack at CPNRE just because?

    Hi yes I passed the CRNE. Therefore I know what a struggle it can be to pass this exam. The RN diploma program in ontario was a 3 year program which ended in 2005, after 2005 all nurses required a degree. CNO makes the rules on who is eligible to write the RPN exam and the RN exam in Ontario. All I am trying to say its not unfair nor is it insulting to the RPN profession for an RN graduate to write that exam if they fail the CRNE. Thats all.
  6. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    You aren't an RPN, though, who went through the program....so to say it isn't insulting...well, how can you say that? I mean, if they wanted to write the RPN exam, why didn't they just enroll in that program in the first place?
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  7. Visit  CanadianGirl79 profile page
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    Quote from Life03
    Hello, I would like to state if it is unfair or insulting for an "RN" graduate to write the RPN exam then how is it fair for an RPN to be able to write the CRNE after only 2 years of extra education? Shouldn't every RPN go through the full 4 year RN program to be eligible?
    The scope of practice for both RN and RPN is significantly different, and if people state in the hospital the RPN can do exact the same thing as the RN then obviously that is not right. Both have different set of competencies and both cannot do the same controlled act. I do not think the CRNE is a basic exam, it requires a lot of critical thinking and is an overall difficult exam. I am sure so is the RPN exam, but overall both exams require you to study efficiently.
    My advice to anyone taking the CRNE in the future, take the exam seriously this is your future whether the school prepared you or not you are responsible for passing the exam. You know the set of rules you might not agree with it but in order to work as a nurse in Canada you have to play by the rules. Good luck in your careers which ever path you may choose.
    Actually, RPNs and RNs can do the same things, the same controlled acts. http://www.cno.org/en/learn-about-st...rpns/overview/

    Yes, scope of practice differs, but not in the skills RPNs and RNs can perform, but rather in the patient populations they generally care for. In general, RPNs take care of stable patients with predictable outcomes. RNs can take care of unstable patients with unpredictable outcomes. THAT is the difference. In terms of plain skills, hands-on skills, there is NO DIFFERENCE.

    I have the utmost respect for RNs and their decision to go to school for 4 years. I don't dispute that the content of the RN education covers all that the PN education does. However, it doesn't match up year to year. PNs, because we don't do all the theory, jump right in to patient care and skills. So at the end of our 2 year program, we are ready to function independantly, and to enter to practice. A BScN student, after completing 2 years, does NOT have teh same education as a PN. They are NOT ready to practice as RPNs or RNs.

    As for bridging, it is most certainly fair - if I do my RN, I am already a nurse. I already have nursing knowledge, and experience, and know how to safely perform patient care. THAT is why I can do the last 2 years of the RN program. It is more then "fair".

    I suggest you read the CNO module on the differences between RNs and RPNs.
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  8. Visit  Life03 profile page
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    I believe this discussion has gone overboard for me, but I still stay standing with what I said. In the end its the college's decicision, good luck.
  9. Visit  AngelicDarkness profile page
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    This post is from 2010 but caught my eye. Even if you fail the 3rd CPNRE you go back to school for a year to upgrade and you can take the test again. Does the CRNE not do this? Curious
  10. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    Not for the CRNE. Unless you had maybe a death in the family, if you fail the CRNE for the 3rd time, you get to go back to university and do the BSN all over again. Which of course, no one would do, so now some are opting to write the CPRNE. I don't know why they now have this option. They never used to.
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  11. Visit  jmarc99 profile page
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    i failed CRNE 3 times here in Ontario. and for a very good reason for appealing, i got a chance to write for a fourth time... thank God.

    however, im going to need a lot of help on ways how to study, what to focus and what books to study to write the CRNE. i never ever failed any exams in my life except these last 3 exams of my life. i couldnt figure why i can pass everything else but this. I failed by 2-3 points, and i even took a class. I thought i have a good knowledge base. But i really need to improve my critical thinking and public health knowledge. and also my English is not perfect.. Fellow nurses i need your guidance to help me a ways to pass this.

    God bless.
  12. Visit  NotReady4PrimeTime profile page
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    One would think that after writing it 3 times, you'd have a pretty good idea of how the exam is structured, what sorts of questions are asked, how the answers are worded, and some sense of what is giving you the most difficulty. You say you need to improve your critical thinking, your public health knowledge and that your English is not perfect. That's where you start preparing for October. Find someone who can help you with your English comprehension. Go over the study guide again and again, paying special attention to the rationales for the correct responses. It's not enough to know the information, you have to be able to apply it in real-life situations. You have to be able to put all the pieces together, figure out what's going on, decide what needs to be done and to act. That's not only true of the exam but also of the real world when you're a nurse.
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  13. Visit  27400 profile page
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    Well if you're given the opportunity to take the CRPNE, then take it, I say. No matter how much discouragement you receive from RNs and PNs alike, the reality is that the option is there. Until CNO decides that this option is no longer available, you should take your chances. I'm not one to tell anyone what to do but failing the CRNE 3x makes it hard for me to believe that the 4th time will be the charm. Do your best and practice practice practice. I hope everything works out for you and for anyone else out there whom failed the CRNE.

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