Is US30 per hour in San Francisco a good starting salary? - page 2

I am being offered $30 per hour in San Francisco, is that ok or not? I am not familiar with the cost of living in SFO.... Read More

  1. by   777RNThatsMe
    How is the commute from the family friendly areas to the hospitals? Do people drive?? Also... are they actually affordable..and Im talking a house (even a rental)..not an apt. ...
  2. by   Geena
    Your offer in LA was a lot higher than this USD30, wasn't it?
    Geena
  3. by   FutureUSRN
    Yeah, but that is not a closed deal and somebody warned me that the hospital's location isn't a safe place. I gotta shy away from that $32-LA offer.
  4. by   Nitngale
    Quote from FutureUSRN
    I am being offered $30 per hour in San Francisco, is that ok or not? I am not familiar with the cost of living in SFO.
    This is a good example of how these corporate hospitals are reaching out to foreign nurses and undercutting the pay. If only they could oursource the patients, there'd be no nursing jobs in the US at all.
  5. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Nitngale
    This is a good example of how these corporate hospitals are reaching out to foreign nurses and undercutting the pay.
    I have to agree with this. $30 in San Fran is so outrageously low, that it does seem to prove that they do pay foreign nurses a lot less. People keep saying that the law requires them to pay foreign nurses the same but, when you read the rates posted by foreign nurses on this board ... it really seems like they are being ripped off.

    :typing
  6. by   Geena
    I am a foreign nurse. After reading your ongoing rant about how foreign nurses bring down the salaries - I just cannot help but to join - I was offered 45 plus benefits. Did not expect that much but who am I to argue - I took it. They are happy - I am happy.
    Guys, let's not genaralise. It's boring. Geena
  7. by   Sheri257
    Sorry ... I didn't mean to overgeneralize. It's just when you read $30 in San Fran as well as other low rates posted by some foreign nurses ... you can't help but think something is wrong.

    :typing
  8. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from lizz
    Sorry ... I didn't mean to overgeneralize. It's just when you read $30 in San Fran as well as other low rates posted by some foreign nurses ... you can't help but think something is wrong.

    :typing
    However, these foreign nurses are naive and undereducated about pay rates, so many will jump for joy and think that a $30 per hour job offer is a whole lot of money. $30 is average for the Los Angeles area and horrendously low for the San Francisco Bay area. Never in a million years would I work as an RN in San Francisco for $30 per hour when new hires without experience start at $40 per hour.

    LVNs in San Francisco earn $27 to $30 hourly. Common sense should dictate that RNs in that area are to earn more.
  9. by   Nitngale
    Quote from Geena
    I am a foreign nurse. After reading your ongoing rant about how foreign nurses bring down the salaries - I just cannot help but to join - I was offered 45 plus benefits. Did not expect that much but who am I to argue - I took it. They are happy - I am happy.
    Guys, let's not genaralise. It's boring. Geena
    Let's not generalize. Lets's be quite specific. I feel that as long as there is an American that is qualified and wants a job at the 'normal' rate----that the job should go to an American (I'm talking about in America of course). I know of no other country that gives jobs to foreigners like the US does. Then to top it off, many slots in our schools are saved for foreigners. At the tuition they pay, you can see why.
    I've worked in many fields and I see nursing going the way of the construction industry. If the 'business' of health care could outsource it they would. In many of these third world countries, they need their nurses more than we do. "Reading your ongoing rant"----a little hyperbole there wouldn't you say?
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  10. by   Geena
    Quote from TheCommuter
    However, these foreign nurses are naive and undereducated about pay rates, so many will jump for joy and think that a $30 per hour job offer is a whole lot of money. $30 is average for the Los Angeles area and horrendously low for the San Francisco Bay area. Never in a million years would I work as an RN in San Francisco for $30 per hour when new hires without experience start at $40 per hour.

    LVNs in San Francisco earn $27 to $30 hourly. Common sense should dictate that RNs in that area are to earn more.
    I hear you. Good exchange of information on this site - plus links to other sites - should give some indication to what to expect moneywise. I found the link to the salaries adjusted to the COL most interesting.

    I suspect that a foreign nurse would take the biggest pay cut if there is one of these agencies involved in the hiring process. Many of them target the nurses in the developing world. The nurse gets offered what sounds like a lot of money - the agency provides a facility labour at a lower rate and on the side makes a ton of money on the nurse as well as the facility. Bad business.


    Sorry Liz and the Commuter - didn't mean to be blunt. You are 100% right.
    The information is out there - and accessible all over the world.

    Sorry I'm off topic now.
  11. by   FutureUSRN
    The pay is low because the hospital is going to pay for all the immigration expenses, that's what I am thinking.
  12. by   Geena
    Can't be. Sorry. Say if you're getting 30/hr instead of 40/hr.
    Ten dollars difference and it's in their pocket. Your weekly is 36 hours (?) and 52 weeks in a year. We're talking just short of 20 000 for costs. I'd like to see those expenses.
  13. by   Sheri257
    Quote from Geena
    Can't be. Sorry. Say if you're getting 30/hr instead of 40/hr.
    Ten dollars difference and it's in their pocket. Your weekly is 36 hours (?) and 52 weeks in a year. We're talking just short of 20 000 for costs. I'd like to see those expenses.
    I'd have to dig up the links again but some of the California hospital associations have done surveys on foreign vs. U.S. recruitment and training costs. The problem is that the estimates vary widely ... anywhere from $6K to $25K for a foreign nurse ... although $15K is probably the average. And, recruiting and training U.S. nurses can be just as expensive also.

    But, even if you assume that it costs as much as $25K to hire a foreign nurse ... if they save that $10 an hour and get them to sign a typical two year contract ... they bank $12K over two years (10 x 36 x 52 = 18,720 x 2 years = 37,440 - 25,000 = 12,440.)

    And, if you assume the more likely average cost of $15K per foreign nurse then, they bank $22K per nurse over two years at that lower pay rate.

    The real savings though, IMHO, is if they don't have to raise overall staff pay by hiring foreign nurses. If you can keep overall wages $2-$3 below what you would normally have to pay to attract U.S. nurses ... because you have the additional foreign labor pool coming in filling demand ... then the savings can run into the millions.

    :typing
    Last edit by Sheri257 on Sep 13, '06

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