Acclerated BSN programs in CA - page 2

Hello! I was wondering if anyone out there is in an accelerated BSN program in California? If so, how do you like it? If you could, would you do the 2 year RN route? I have a BS in biology and am... Read More

  1. by   nursinguy
    Quote from luvmyboys
    To nursinguy,

    I think the ELM started with 60. After the summer one had dropped because of getting into a different program and two had not passed a class. After the fall we lost three more due to not passing. From what I have read on this site that doesn't seem too bad but I dont know what the stats are for the regular BSN program or other ELM programs. And most of the people we have "lost" are continuing on in nursing - just a semester behind.

    I dont think the program is poorly organized - we all went into it knowing that being awarded a BSN in 14 months was going to mean a heavy workload. I think the problem is that Sac State has doubled the number of nursing students - that along with trying to share available clinical experiences with the community colleges and Samuel Merritt - scheduling is a nightmare.

    As for people not continuing on to the masters...I guess that may be a reason why they would drop the program but we havent actually gotten to that point so its a little premature to be making a decision based on hearsay.

    Good luck with school!
    Thanks.

    Does so many units at once affect you GPA?
  2. by   BonnieSc
    (Julie, those "fail"/dropout rates are normal or good for Sac State's regular BSN program--so you're right, that's definitely not the reason ELM has changed to accelerated BSN. I think a large part of the reason for the change is that now you've been cleared to get your BSN after the 14 months, which wasn't the case before as you know--it was going to be RN-MSN--but now that students are cleared to get the BSN within 14 months, that's preferable because it gives students more options. There are a lot of rumors being passed around, and it's true that the ELM program has created plenty of problems in the department--which is where the "disorganized" thing comes from--but as you know they haven't been insurmountable. I don't think anyone should hesitate to do the accelerated BSN at Sac State if that's what they want to do.)
  3. by   nursinguy
    Quote from Wendy79
    (Julie, those "fail"/dropout rates are normal or good for Sac State's regular BSN program--so you're right, that's definitely not the reason ELM has changed to accelerated BSN. I think a large part of the reason for the change is that now you've been cleared to get your BSN after the 14 months, which wasn't the case before as you know--it was going to be RN-MSN--but now that students are cleared to get the BSN within 14 months, that's preferable because it gives students more options. There are a lot of rumors being passed around, and it's true that the ELM program has created plenty of problems in the department--which is where the "disorganized" thing comes from--but as you know they haven't been insurmountable. I don't think anyone should hesitate to do the accelerated BSN at Sac State if that's what they want to do.)
    My friend who works at a near by hospital says that they are worried about hiring people out the ELM and other accererated BSN?MSN programs because quility may be lacking since their training was rushed. Hence people may be passing the programs but not with A+ grades which they be able to obtain easyer from programs that are not rushed.
  4. by   luvmyboys
    The ELM still gets the same number of clinical hours. The difference is we go to school in the summer and also take more theory classes along with our clinical classes that would otherwise be in a different semester. For example we are taking Pediatrics and OB this semester - which is what the regular BSN program does - but in our case we are also taking a nursing reasoning class. That class would normally be taken in the 6th semester.

    I'm not worried about getting a job when I am licensed. I guess if grades were an issue I could show my transcripts. My GPA in this program (and the pre-reqs) is better than my other Bachelors GPA (3.75 and barely 3.0) respectively.

    The bottom line is I could have waited forever to get into the Community College programs through lottery. I applied for the regular BSN but since I had a previous degree this worked for me. It works for me but it's probably not the program for everyone. I know someone from one of my pre-reqs who was qualified but decided against ELM because she thought it would be too hard on her family. That is completely understandable. It's nice to have choices : )
  5. by   nursinguy
    Quote from luvmyboys
    The ELM still gets the same number of clinical hours. The difference is we go to school in the summer and also take more theory classes along with our clinical classes that would otherwise be in a different semester. For example we are taking Pediatrics and OB this semester - which is what the regular BSN program does - but in our case we are also taking a nursing reasoning class. That class would normally be taken in the 6th semester.

    I'm not worried about getting a job when I am licensed. I guess if grades were an issue I could show my transcripts. My GPA in this program (and the pre-reqs) is better than my other Bachelors GPA (3.75 and barely 3.0) respectively.

    The bottom line is I could have waited forever to get into the Community College programs through lottery. I applied for the regular BSN but since I had a previous degree this worked for me. It works for me but it's probably not the program for everyone. I know someone from one of my pre-reqs who was qualified but decided against ELM because she thought it would be too hard on her family. That is completely understandable. It's nice to have choices : )
    So 37-41 hours a week of class during the summer
  6. by   BerkeleyMom
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  7. by   br107
    anyone have experience with mount st mary's (msmc) accelerated program?
  8. by   PhilGN
    nursinguy, I kinda looked into the accelerated BSN or MSN programs. I got a bachelors from Davis a few years ago, but my gpa wasn't that great and it was in humanities, so I'm doing the prereqs at the local JC. It seems like most of the accelerated programs require a higher gpa or GREs, and the junior college here accepts students with a formula instead of lottery. I figure once I get through that I can try to get into an RN-BSN program.
  9. by   nursinguy
    Quote from indiophil
    nursinguy, I kinda looked into the accelerated BSN or MSN programs. I got a bachelors from Davis a few years ago, but my gpa wasn't that great and it was in humanities, so I'm doing the prereqs at the local JC. It seems like most of the accelerated programs require a higher gpa or GREs, and the junior college here accepts students with a formula instead of lottery. I figure once I get through that I can try to get into an RN-BSN program.
    I got denied from 5 jc nursing programs. Sac state accererated program might be worth a try.
  10. by   saral_123
    Quote from BerkeleyMom
    amy_123
    I just wanted to let you know that Samuel Merritt has a program with Kaiser regarding loan repayment. I just got a letter in the mail about it. For the 2008 ABSN graduates that agree to work for a Northern California Kaiser for 2 years, Kaiser will pay off $25,000 of the loan. That is over half of the cost of the program.

    I just read here that SMC ABSN program is highly competitive to get into. I am not sure that is true considering it is a new program and they now offer it in 4 locations--Oakland, Sacramento, SF, and the Peninsula. If they take 50 per location (I think), then they are accepting 200 applicants. That is a lot for a program that is so new.

    Just something to think about--good luck!



    Thank you! Yes, I have been thinking about Sammuel Merrit for both the ABSN and ELMSN/FNP program. I am wondering if they offer the same for the ELMSN program? I will still have to do more research on it.

    I am currently at a local JC taking pre-req's for a nsg program. There are many tracks I can possibly take. My ultimate goal is to work in Women's Health or Pediatrics and I know I will a lot more education behind me to do that. I've had countless meetings with my counselor and he's suggesting to go straight into the ELMSN program (if NP is what I really want to do). But I've been debating on which path to choose for over a year now. I guess it really is up to me to decide.

    Thank you for your help. I am thankful to have found this website.
  11. by   nursinguy
    Quote from amy_123
    Thank you! Yes, I have been thinking about Sammuel Merrit for both the ABSN and ELMSN/FNP program. I am wondering if they offer the same for the ELMSN program? I will still have to do more research on it.

    I am currently at a local JC taking pre-req's for a nsg program. There are many tracks I can possibly take. My ultimate goal is to work in Women's Health or Pediatrics and I know I will a lot more education behind me to do that. I've had countless meetings with my counselor and he's suggesting to go straight into the ELMSN program (if NP is what I really want to do). But I've been debating on which path to choose for over a year now. I guess it really is up to me to decide.

    Thank you for your help. I am thankful to have found this website.
    Pediatrics is hard to get into. My nurse friend who is male said wait times for female nurses is anywhere from 8-10 years at the hospital he works at.
  12. by   BerkeleyMom
    amy_123,

    i started another thread asking about the kaiser-smc absn loan repayment plan, so here is the link.

    http://allnurses.com/forums/f137/kai...ne-204621.html

    this is not offered for elmsn graduates, as nps are not in high demand like rns are. there are some alternative programs for nps that usually involve working with medically underserved populations.

    there is something called national health service corps that has a loan forgiveness program, although i am not sure how available those positions are.

    http://nhsc.bhpr.hrsa.gov/

    in addition the elmsn program at smc only offers 2 tracks--fnp and cm (case management). as you probably know, ucsf has many more specialty np tracks--something to think about if you know you want peds or women's health specifically.

    i am waiting to hear back about the absn and elmsn program at smc right now. my only concern witht the elmsn is the cost/debt.

    would you mind sharing more about why your counselor is advising the direct entry route? what is his reason for doing it?

    thanks!
    --berk
  13. by   hb97
    Hi. This is my first time posting on allnurses (but I have been reading for a while). I'm living in the Bay Area and want/need to stay here for various reasons. I am going to apply to accelerated BSN programs next year. I'm just trying to figure out if I know all the programs within a 2 hour radius of SF. I'm aware of: Sammuel Merrit, San Jose State, USF, and Sacramento State. Any other accelerated BSN programs you guys are aware of? Thanks!

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