Attn Clinic/Doctors office nurses! - page 3

I've seen this topic before but it's come up again at my clinic/urgent care, sorry in advance if you've heard this a million times. Do you call medical assistants nurses at your clinic? Would you... Read More

  1. by   sailornurse
    The clinic I used to work at, the MA's were used to the patients referring to them (MAs) as nurses and they even used to say, the other "nurse", even the the other FNP once came out and asked "where are the nurses?" to which I replied, you and I are the only nurses that work here, they are MAs, He laughed and acknowledged that since I was faculty at the BSN program I would say that. He & they quit calling themselves nurses, they even got name tags that said, "Jane Smith, Medical assistant".

    These are protected titles, so to call yourself a nurse or use the initials RN is illegal. One of the local hospitals even had tags made for "Clinical Nurse Preceptor" but unfortunately they abbreviated it to " CNP" I had to write a letter to the director of nursing pointing out this is my title on my nursing license and it is a protected title for Certified Nurse Practitioner and informed her the RNs could not have badges with these initials.
  2. by   nursel56
    hi elleveein - i've had so much frustration over this and other scope of practice issues i've looked for resources for a long time. the practice act is not very specific and is geared toward consumer protection but kaiser ambulatory services had a committee go through the law and make this very detailed booklet with clear graphs. it's very specific on the subject of who can be referred to as "nurse" and the possible consequences of violating those rules. i found it had lots of useful information, so here is the link in case you are interested.

    scope of practice[color=#330033] - resource guide of practice resource guide.pdf

    just wanted to add that other healthcare workers can run into problems with titles as well, and some consumers are very aware of this. one of the pas at the urgent care center i use was accused of misrepresenting himself as a doctor (physician). wearing id tags with titles and being careful about introductions is just prudent nowadays.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Jun 21, '12 : Reason: add something
  3. by   Elleveein
    Thanks for the info. I'm not gonna worry about it any more, as long as I use proper titles I'm not going to obsess over what they're are saying.i reported it, thats all I can do.
  4. by   groovetta
    As a patient, I felt mislead when my hubby told me that the "nurse" at out PCPs office was not a nurse, but rather a medical assistant. Apparently the term "nurse" is used loosely in their office as well. She is a top notch MA. It does sort of bug me that the MD allows a MA to phone in Rx. Of course, flip flops worn with scrubs should have given it away. )
  5. by   Agmorr01
    At my clinic, MA's must identify themselves on the phone or in person as an MA. It is impersonating a nurse.
  6. by   egregious
    Quote from smilealot
    There is a huge difference between a MA and a RN. Really there is. Its mostly called education but that is just part of it.
    That's an understatement. ...and it's not "mostly education" in my opinion. I'm a relatively new-grad nurse and I can't even tell you how many of my colleagues have earned their education and credentials and have left the profession because they couldn't professionally adapt in one way or another. It's education and the ability to effectively apply that education to beating hearts.

    Huge huge difference....
  7. by   egregious
    Quote from CaliBoy760
    To do anything less would be dishonest and I could go to jail for impersonating a doctor.
    Are you referring to physicians? To be fair, they should never refer to themselves as 'doctor' unless they hold a doctorate level academic degree, the vast majority of which do not. I'm not saying that you should start correcting people that refer to physicians as 'doctors', but you most certainly could and quite accurately so. M.D.'s are not doctors.
  8. by   egregious
    Quote from kcmylorn
    nurses aids ... do not fall under the jurisdiction of the Board of Nursing
    (fyi) That is not true in all jurisdictions. In Arizona, e.g. nursing assistants hold certificates -- true, but they are still under the jurisdiction of the board of nursing as certificate holders.
  9. by   CaliBoy760
    factoviia, Of course an M.D. can call themselves "Doctor", because they are a "Doctor of Medicine". Non-medical individuals holding Doctorate degrees are also allowed to call themselves "Doctor" because they have achieved a Doctorate of Philosophy, or PhD., which may, or may not be related to the science of medicine.
  10. by   egregious
    Quote from CaliBoy760
    Of course an M.D. can call themselves "Doctor", because they are a "Doctor of Medicine".
    Yes, that has been the modern convention, but technically, they should have a doctorate level academic degree, such as a Doctorate of Nursing Practice in order to earn the distinguished title of "Doctor".

    This argument was first presented to me by the President of a certain national advanced practice nursing professional organization that will remain anonymous. It is a thought provoking argument and the current thread reminded me of it.

    If I am ever in a situation in which the practitioner with a medical degree greets the unlicensed staff with "good morning nurses!", I will be more than happy to return the greeting with:
    "Good morning, physician!", because a doctor, he is not.
  11. by   GracyMae
    I'm confused ... an M.D. cannot call himself/herself a "doctor?"
  12. by   CaliBoy760
    I'm calling BS. A medical school graduate who has completed residency and has passed the medical boards is a "Doctor", and is entitled to the the respective title of "Doctor", ancient rhetoric not withstanding.
  13. by   egregious
    Quote from Kengland88
    I'm confused ... an M.D. cannot call himself/herself a "doctor?"
    Yes, than can. Legally, even. Are they doctors? I assert that it is still up for debate.

    Apologies for hijacking this very important thread...

    I'm a new nurse and it is news to me that members of the health care team would be so careless with the use of the title "nurse". I can understand a patient or family making this harmless error, but beyond that, there is no excuse. I'm truly shocked that this happens in the modern day...