Topic of the Day: GO AWAY FOREIGN NURSES! - page 15
This is exactly how I feel each time I log into the International Forum. I don't feel welcome as a foreign born nurse. I don't feel respected as a minority in this country. All I feel is the hatred and insults thrown at us simply... Read More
- 1Dec 28, '08 by SuesquatchRNQuote from traumaRUsSure seems like a lot of anecdotal evidence to me, and quite limited, at that.While still a hot topic after 14 pages, what about some further constructive debate. Does anyone have data or stats to show that foreign nurses as a whole are or are not competent?
- 1Quote from 5catsThanks for the clarification on the exams....I'm not doubting what you're telling me, but I really do have hard with this because I see very poor English skills when they do come here and work in the US...The english exams actually are all at university level, it just depends on wich passing level/degree is accepted. In Canada for instance your speaking passing score for TOEFL ibt is 28 points out of 29 max. Elsewhere they accept 26 or so. With IELTS passing scores start allready at 6.5 max would be 9, so that would be significantly lower.
- 2Quote from ghillbertI seriously think you need to reread my post...Please do so because I did also state that I'm all for immigration because my parents migrated here from Cuba...At this point retrogression is necessary due to what's happening in the economy here right now...I also stated that once retrogression is lifted and if the opportunity knocks, then come here and good luck on your success....But I guess you didn't get that far....and yes, I'm glad and that's my right to feel like this....What's the point? The point is that I have a right to state it, and I shouldn't be offending anybody because I'm not making personal attacks and calling people imbeciles, idiots, etc....If I were then yes, I would be offending a lot of people...but I'm not doing that why? It's not necessary, that's not the point of this forum...If I were violating TOS then yes, but I'm not.....I'm sorry if me agreeing with retrogression is offending you....that's not what is meant....if you don't like my posting, then I highly recommend you to just skip over them and don't read them...that's your right...The point is, if people come to the international forum looking for information about licensure, or immigration, or venting because they are frustrated that there are no visas... why do you care? Why would you feel the need to comment and go on about how you don't want them in the US and you're glad of retrogression? Yes, there's free speech, blah blah - but what's the POINT? What do you get out of it?
Someone once gave me good advice about posting online. Ask three questions before posting: Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
- 3Dec 28, '08 by Fiona59MauiBoy: you just joined the board, so you missed most of the drama that has led up to these threads. You can search the Canadian and Phillipines Forums for the material. I simply don't have time between work, kids, and my life.
The blurbs at the top of each post no longer contain the location of the nurse. That is where posters used to say USA, UK, neverneverland, or whatever. I guess the redesign of the board did away with it.
The red banner that appears on the top of many forums directing questions to the international area was also a result of the drama.
People just got tired and frustrated at multiple posts on a daily basis wanting the same question answered and yes, many nurses in the UK, Australia, Canada, and other Commonwealth countries got more than a little frustrated with nurses wondering why on earth the NCLEX for the US wasn't accepted in other parts of the world. These countries aren't consolation destinations for nurses impacted in their homelands due to the US immigration freeze.
- 1Dec 28, '08 by Yin YangQuote from LatinaVNStudentRN2BThanks for the clarification on the exams....I'm not doubting what you're telling me, but I really do have hard with this because I see very poor English skills when they do come here and work in the US...
That is one of the most difficult/frustrating things I see as well. When my grandmother was in the hospital here in Dallas a few months ago, I thought we were going to need to call in a translator. Her nurse was NOT filipino btw, but of middle eastern descent, and nobody could understand her. For my 80 something year old grandmother, it made her feel like she was not understood either, and it left her feeling like the care she received was not good just because of poor communication/english skills. In my nursing class, we had several foreigners that came in on student visas. They obviously passed the english tests, but they couldn't understand the lectures and most failed out (a couple made it out of the program, as scary as that was). I do believe the language skills need to be assessed more thoroughly as communication is a HUGE part of nursing in general.
- 3Dec 28, '08 by ghillbert, MSN, NP GuideQuote from LatinaVNStudentRN2BWhat are you talking about? Retrogression of the visa categories has exactly ZERO to do with the current economic issues. They were retrogressed well before any of the recent events unfolded....At this point retrogression is necessary due to what's happening in the economy here right now...
I can read just fine, thank you. So you're "all for immigration" and "glad" about retrogression....? That makes no sense.
Personally, I don't care what you and others like you have to say. I am well able to defend myself. I DO feel sorry for the international nurses who feel too intimidated to post or ask their questions in this forum because of certain bullies.