Shortage of Nurse Practitioner Preceptors - page 3
by ashonman 33,616 Views | 53 Comments
Is there a national shortage of Nurse Practitioners who are willing to precept? I am finding it very difficult to find a preceptor, MD's are very quick to offer what they have, unfortunately as a NP student I have to have a... Read More
- 1Apr 29, '12 by ashonmanNow that is a shame. Who in their right mind will steal from a doctors office, an NP student for that matter. I do not know where this happened, but here in NC if you steal as a RN you will lose your license to practice. This just annoys the heck out of me and just plain disgusting. Professionalism for some people is stealing, how degrading!!! Yuck! I am so disgusted by this I am sorry!
- 0Apr 30, '12 by ivanh3Quote from hope1272I learned that people will steal underwear out of the washing machine, so you never know.Why would a future NP steal?????
The lack of preceptors is frustrating. I had to find my own and it was tough and nerve wracking. However, I don't think you can blame the schools. Someone mentioned not seeing med school grads going door to door, but that is because there is an organized matching system that places new physicians in residencies. Now in fairness, new grad physicians are often willing to relocate to make those matches happen.
When NPs can come up with something like that then great. It is just another example of nursing needing to make political and legislative gains. I feel that if NPs are to be part of the solution to the primary care shortage then we need access to those primary care matches, that last I heard, were under utilized by new grad physicians who don't seem to be enamored with primary care. If that is wrong please let me know.
- 1May 4, '12 by KgrapperhausI am currenlty an FNP student in my clinical rotation. I attend Frontier Nursing University & we are required to find our own preceptors in our own community. The school does pay them to precept. I live in a small rural community and did not have any problem finding preceptors.
- 0May 8, '12 by abiagirlnpI think one of the reasons for this problem is because we mostly work under the MD's who determine if we should precept or not. When I was looking for a clinical site, I went to several private practice offices and was told that they only precept med students. I asked one the office manager "why" because I knew that the office also had a nurse practitioner working there. But, she had no good answer for me. It was especially hard finding a site for my Women's Health clinicals.
- 5May 10, '12 by mystoryWhat on earth does a shortage of preceptors have to do with "nurses eating their young"? I don't see the connection there, but I do have a few thoughts on the shortage of advanced practice nurse preceptors.
1) APNs need to be incentivized to precept students. Our colleagues in medicine are paid to precept and train students, why are NPs expected to volunteer their time and expertise? Many are paid according to how many patients they see, and stopping to teach a student and answer questions directly cuts their pay.
2) Schools that do not place students clinically should have their accreditation suspended. I have seen their students' pleas on allnurses for preceptors and how their futile search has delayed their graduation, led to failed courses, loss of money, etc... it is quite heartbreaking. And I don't know if the schools are shameful or shameless, but I do know they are scams.
- 7May 10, '12 by myelinI agree that schools that don't provide their students with clinical placements are scams. But it goes both ways. As long as students keep choosing to attend these programs, they will continue to exist and be a huge problem.
- 4May 12, '12 by juan de la cruz GuideAs I said before, it boils down to loose standards that nursing seems to think is good enough. CCNE accredits all baccaleaureate and graduate programs in nursing including master's and DNP with nurse practitioner foci. Per CCNE's accreditation standards, a short blurb that addresses preceptors states:
When used by the program, preceptors, as an extension of faculty, are academically and experientially qualified for their role in assisting in the achievement of the mission, goals, and expected student outcomes.
Elaboration: The roles of preceptors with respect to teaching, supervision, and student evaluation are clearly defined; congruent with the mission, goals, and expected student outcomes; and congruent with relevant professional nursing standards and guidelines. Preceptors have the expertise to support student achievement of expected learning outcomes. Preceptor performance expectations are clearly communicated to preceptors.
Who wrote these things? I mean, how general can that statement be? any school will easily pass accreditation with no resources whatsoever in finding preceptors for their students if all CCNE asks for is the above.
Now, contrast that with the accreditation standards set forth by the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (accredits all allopathic medical schools) which details the following:
C. Clinical Teaching Facilities
ER-6 The medical school must have, or be assured use of, appropriate resources for the clinical instruction of its medical students. Clinical resources should be sufficient to ensure breadth and quality of ambulatory and bedside teaching. They include adequate numbers and types of patients (acuity, case mix, age, gender, etc.) as well as physical resources.
ER-7 A hospital or other clinical facility that serves as a major site for medical student education must have appropriate instructional facilities and information resources. Appropriate instructional facilities include areas for individual student study, for conferences, and for large group presentations (lectures). Sufficient information resources, including library holdings and access to other library systems, must either be present in the facility or readily available in the immediate vicinity. A sufficient number of computers are needed that allow access to the Internet and to other educational software. Call rooms and lockers, or other secure space to store personal belongings, should be available for student use.
ER-8 Required clerkships should be conducted in health care settings where resident physicians in accredited programs of graduate medical education, under faculty guidance, participate in teaching the students. It is understood that there may not be resident physicians at some community hospitals, community clinics, and the offices of community-based physicians. In that case, medical students must be adequately supervised by attending physicians.
ER-9 There must be written and signed affiliation agreements between the medical school and its clinical affiliates that define, at a minimum, the responsibilities of each party related to the educational program for medical students. Written agreements are necessary with hospitals that are used regularly as inpatient sites for core clinical clerkships. Additionally, affiliation agreements may be warranted with other clinical sites that have a significant role in the clinical education program. Affiliation agreements should address, at a minimum, the following topics:
• The assurance of student and faculty access to appropriate resources for medical student education.
• The primacy of the medical school over academic affairs and the education/evaluation of students.
• The role of the medical school in appointment/assignment of faculty members with responsibility for medical student teaching.
• Specification of the responsibility for treatment and follow-up when students are exposed to infectious or environmental hazards or other occupational injuries.
If department heads of the school are not also the clinical service chiefs at affiliated institutions, the affiliation agreement must confirm the authority of the department head to assure faculty and student access to appropriate resources for medical student education. The LCME should be advised of anticipated changes in affiliation status of a program’s clinical facilities.
ER-10 In the relationship between the medical school and its clinical affiliates, the educational program for medical students must remain under the control of the school’s faculty. Regardless of the location where clinical instruction occurs, department heads and faculty must have authority consistent with their responsibility for the instruction and evaluation of medical students. The responsibility of the clinical facility for patient care should not diminish or preclude opportunities for medical students to undertake patient care duties under the appropriate supervision of medical school faculty and residents.
It's time for nurse practitioner programs to be accredited by a committee that knows the issues surrounding our clinical education and enforces strict requirements not only in terms of existing program accreditation but also the establishment of new nurse practitioner programs around the US. It's time to fire CCNE.
- 3Jun 1, '12 by LHendonI am a new graduate of an FNP program and we had to find our own preceptors. This was definetly a challenge. I too had a practice that only precepted MD or PA students even though much of their staff was NP's. This is very frustrating. I cannot wait to be approached to be a preceptor!
- 0Jun 14, '12 by Pug RNI have to disagree on all programs that make you find your own preceptors being a scam. Despite the fact that I have not started a program yet, I know people that are going to many extremely reputable schools that have to locate their own preceptors as well. I know UTHSC requires this, as does LSU and they are some of the best. I also know that Frontier, one of the best midwife programs in the country requires the same thing.
- 0Jun 14, '12 by DuckFan23I had such a hard time finding a willing/able preceptor it delayed my completion of my program by 6 mos. Very, very frustrating. The school does nothing to help. Which was odd to me. (I'm paying for what?) And even if you found one, sometimes it just doesn't work out. Then you were back to finding another one. keep at it. Be diligent. And be well-rounded. I started doing smaller shorter rotations to get some exposure to specialty areas-GYN, optho, derm, ortho. Things you see a lot of but they don't focus a lot in in class. Of course you'd send these to a specialist, but being more comfortable in IDing those things that need a specialist-this helped-and it got me the precepted time. Get creative. And BE SURE to check with you BON to make sure you fill out paperwork with them. I ran into a huge hot mess with that as well.......