2 years second course or 3 years second course

suzanne4, RN · May 29, 2008

They are not necessarily even accepted by other schools in the US, so the chances of having them accepted there by most programs is just not going to happen.

Please take the time to do some reading here about what the issues are with the schools there right now, more than you may be aware of.

jayu · May 29, 2008

Yeah, I'll check out the other threads here for more info. This is just a new "plan" we came up with yesterday. Family wants me to go back to the Philippines & study Nursing full-time since it will be cheaper & I wouldn't have to work part-time. My other option would be to do the LVN->RN route here in the Bay Area which is more expensive & takes a bit longer I think.

woknblues · May 30, 2008

**snip**
Question should be for anyone: Would you feel comfortable with what you have learned to be caring for a family member of yours, or another student that went thru your program
and
had the same skill set that you have? This is how a school should be rated and how one should make a decision as to where to attend.

Great question. To the first part? No. 90% of my classmates are just there to get their piece of paper. Either they or their families are still under the misguided impression that this is their ticket to the United States and to riches. I can't see how any of them are going to pass the RLE, much less have the ability to beat retrogression and wait 5 years+ for a "chance". To answer the second part...For the remaining 10%. Yes, myself a few of my classmates actually do our own work and research, own actual books that we read, shut up when the teacher is talking, and volunteer for every single opportunity to get hands on experience.

In summary, I guess the answer is a blanket "no". Since I only see a very small percent of the students actually showing reasonable skill sets, initiative and drive to become nurses, the chances are good that the majority are too incompetent to take care of any family member of mine.

Example- My GF developed pneumonia. She was admitted. We went to a hospital and there were lots of students from my school there. upon her d/c after a couple of days, I looked at the nursing chart. We are talking pneumonia here, and all the NDxs and Interventions and everything was completely 100% fabricated, unrelated to the presenting illness and looked to be put together by children. ("acute pain r/t ...".... what a joke!! she was feverish, her bronchi was inflamed and she was expectorating a lot, she had a loss of appetite for almost 2 weeks, and was vomiting on occasion (usually after meds) and all you put is "Acute pain??" .) I was saddened and embarrassed for my school. I am glad I stayed with her while she was confined, because I was afraid they were going to give her the wrong meds, etc. They don't know what the actions/classifications/indications/side effects are for any drug they give, and the ratio was 1:1...what the hell are they doing if they are not even looking up what this drug does to someone? If you go visit a non critical patient in a private room 4 times in an 8 hour shift, you think that you might have time to crack open a MIMS for just a second and see what this little pill is going to do to your patient's LOC/CR/RR/GI??? I was ****** off.

I gotta stop here. I am ranting... :rolleyes:

Hoss · May 30, 2008

Currently the BSN program consists of 4 years including mandatory 2 summers...effectively 10 semesters. To qualify from NCM 100 to NCM 101 in 3rd year, you must have already completed mandatory major and minor courses before you can begin clinicals. So if you are a Bus.,or Arts grad or other non science degree, you may have to visit some tough physics, chemistry, microbio, anat/physio, algebra, etc...before they can admit you to the next 2 years AND 2 summers of study. In addition, many schools are now ADDING 560 clinical hours ahead of the CHED mandatory requirement for this next year. This in effect is a 5 year BSN program with the last 2 or 3 years jammed with summer studies/clinicals as well.

Also, many of the better schools require freshmen AND 2nd coursers to write for the nursing program to pre qualify.

Competition is very strong for slots in the BSN programs at the Universities that consistently produce high percentages of NLE passers (about 50 nursing schools out of OVER 400 are producing the top notch grads consistently)......Look hard at the schools NLE passing averages over the past 4 or 5 years!! This will give you a lot of insight as to how your 3,4 or 5 years of money and time will be spent!!!!

At 40,000p / semester....I would think long and hard about who gets that money and what expectations you may have of graduating a qualified nurse.

Finally, be aware that Nurse managers have had many years of experience in the USA, Canada,Australia etc. in recruiting and retaining Filipino BSN's. These folks know WHICH SCHOOLS are producing the best candidates so be careful in choosing what school you go to. The PRC and CHED show school rankings each and every NLE exam date so the data are there for recruiters and Nurse Managers to review and then make their choice of whom to sponsor from the Philippines.

The 'easy' route invariably will make you work twice as hard to gain a nursing position elswhere in the world.

Hoss

jayu · May 30, 2008

I would probably fly to Manila next year to check if the schools would credit courses I took at local community colleges. And if they will credit my science classes from my BA degree from DLSU. I would also check which schools are better. A friend is pushing me to try Dominican College in San Juan because it's very close to where I will be staying.

Hoss · Jun 1, 2008

Your science courses may very well be credited at your next school. However, CHED this last May has now upped the "ante" considerably with some strong curriculum changes and have also zero'd in on the whole concept of 2nd coursers. Schools are now mandated to a 5 year (4calender years and 3 summers) of BSN course requirements that will have a very significant effect on recruitment. The course is required for ALL BSN candidates, with elimation of the "accelerated" or "2nd courser" programs.

The topped ranked national nursing school, the Univ. of Philippines - Manila has implemented this change effective this year as required by CHED. Since CHED is the govt. agency UP Manila MUST follow this program. In addition, many of the top ranked private schools are in the compliance mode in order to stay competitive with UP Manila and are already setting the new standards in their courses. SLU, Univ. of Cordilleras and others here in the Baguio, N. Luzon area are requiring the new students to follow the CHED guidlines effective next week with the new 2008-2009 SY.

So, be prepared for the long hard slog to the BSN, regardless of your previous degree. Instead, I would focus on the QUALITY of the college you choose...you will be living there and studying for at least 4 years and spending 50-80,000p a semester while doing so. Spend wisely and study hard...

Hoss

jayu · Jun 2, 2008

Thanks Hoss... if theyre getting rid of the 2-3 year second courser programs I might as well just go here: http://www.samuelmerritt.edu/nursing/abs_nursing

and do the 1 year fast track program. Gonna cost an arm & a leg though.

pangarapko · Jun 2, 2008

post removed as tagalog is not permitted to be used on this site. english only please as per the tos that you agreed to abide by.

suzanne4

woknblues · Jun 5, 2008

*snip* SLU, Univ. of Cordilleras and others here in the Baguio, N. Luzon area are requiring the new students to follow the CHED guidlines effective next week with the new 2008-2009 SY.*snip*
Hoss

you can add UB to the 5 year group starting this year.