Why The Future of NP Practice Maybe A Two Edged Sword

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I was recently speaking with another master's prepared nurse who works in informatics about becoming an Acute Care NP and my experience as an NP student. Her immediate response was "why would you want to do exactly what the physician does for a dramatically reduced salary"? At first I was offended and was really peeved that a nurse would be so unsupportive of advanced practice nursing and gave her the long winded "why advanced practice nursing is awesome speech" but after a few days I gave thought to what she said.

In my area (NYC metro) NPs start as low as high $90k (RN start out at the same salary) and may hit maybe $160k at the top of the range, with a few outliers here and there. As a student I have witnessed how much work the acute care NP may contribute to a medical service and have seen the MD being the ''overseer'' on some units with the NP & PA managing quite sick patients and responsible for many emergent procedures such as intubation, central line placements.... Although I love the thought of being so involved in patient care I have wondered if NPs (specifically acute care) will be compensated more by facilities for our ever increasing scope of practice? I was surprised to see some services where the so called "midlevels" entirely manage extremely sick patients and the attending only appears when the patient is deteriorating.

I was also at a conference recently where some rural and highly experienced NPs stated that at times they were the only provider in a hospital overnight with maybe an ER doc, or that they managed emergencies on their own or as part of a team of NPs.

I'm wondering if this is part of a whole push by hospital executives to use advanced practice nurses as cheaper medical provider for cost savings.

This has dramatically altered my outlook as a soon to be graduate. I question if I want to be a ''forever resident'' performing all the scut work on the unit while only being payed a small fraction of what the attending (who seem to have the last say in regards to patient management) makes.

Acute care NPs diagnosing, managing, and running emergencies, also having to have the knowledge of a full fledged physician to only make 30-40% of what the attending makes sounds a bit troublesome to me. I still love the nursing profession, it's been my career home for 15 years but I do wonder if this is setting up to be a catch 22 with the corporate hospital system reaping massive benefits off of cheaper labor?

With the push for more autonomy and scope, will our salaries commensurate?

Just me theory.... what do you think?

Specializes in ICU, trauma, neuro.

Why would you necessarily need acute care experience if your goal was to work in an outpatient setting? Why are "online" schools inferior? Whether or not you attend "brick and mortar" or online your clinical sites must still be "in person". Indeed, I believe that in many cases the students who attend online are the ones with the most experience because they are often attempting to integrate a busy part time or full time job with their educational experience. I would have never been able to afford to attend a brick and mortar school or if I had it would have meant leaving my ICU job to do so. However, an online curriculum afforded me the opportunity to go back to school and obtain my PMHNP.

Specializes in Psych/Mental Health.

Online in itself isn't bad. The problem is that majority of online NP programs are either subpar or downright terrible. They throw students a list of readings, ask them to read, write papers, post on discussion boards, take a few quizzes/exams, and with no on-campus visits to check off critical skills. On top of that, most online NP programs have low to zero academic requirement and no experience requirement in the specialty. Essentially, more and more of these programs are taking in ill-prepared students and pushing them through a subpar educational system.

Specializes in ICU, trauma, neuro.
4 hours ago, umbdude said:

Online in itself isn't bad. The problem is that majority of online NP programs are either subpar or downright terrible. They throw students a list of readings, ask them to read, write papers, post on discussion boards, take a few quizzes/exams, and with no on-campus visits to check off critical skills. On top of that, most online NP programs have low to zero academic requirement and no experience requirement in the specialty. Essentially, more and more of these programs are taking in ill-prepared students and pushing them through a subpar educational system.

All I know is that none of the three state school programs that I strongly considered required any of these things (although several including my own school have added on campus visits as of this year). We did have to tape head to toe assessments, and tape several psychiatric interviews. I want to create the greatest opportunity for the most aspiring students from the most diverse backgrounds. I don't believe that opportunities for educational advancement should be restricted to only those with 3.5 GPA's and up. I've met too many great NP's, and RN's who may have struggled academically, but were exceptional when it comes to interacting with patients, or in terms of other holistic aspects of the care that they provide. Ultimately, if you go to a "great" school with strong requirements it will probably translate to more, better job opportunities. However, there are already a myriad of requirements to sit for boards, and be certified. The bottom line is that NP's provide excellent care and should in no way fear competing with MD's for market share. I personally, have clients tell me that they have left psychiatrists for the care that I (and other NP's) provide.

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