I am taking classes towards my BSN because like other nurses with a diploma or ADN I am being "forced" to return to school for my BSN. I have had my ADN for 9 years. My question is HOW is statistics, critical inquiry, and the other classes going to make me a better nurse? Isn't hands on training the best way to learn? I feel like they are requiring BSN now and in 10 years want MSN so that we wont need doctors working on the floors, because nurses will do their own orders!!
I am 42 y/o and rally don't want to do this, but I have a minimum of 23 years left of working and had to be forced to stay where I am due to not having a BSN. Sure they say we may be "grandfathered" in, but that limits us to stay put.
Anyone have any input on this, as to what am I going to learn getting my BSN and why the requirement now?
So say you now, at age 31 (according to your profile). I am here to tell you that fifteen, ten, maybe five years from now you may well be singing a different tune.
Fortune favors the prepared (and better-educated) mind.
Well,i have been a nurse for 10 years now,and in Pdn for all of those years.
Everytime i tried leaving,i just had to come back. My heart is set in it.
Just because its true for you does not mean its true for everyone else. I do not work in a hospital. I work in Pdn. [snip] Not sure why you think i made that up?
I think you made it up because you said:
Most employers don't offer tuition assistance. That has been that way since the recession.
Which is a statement unsupported by any facts which makes it a SWAG.
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The way to know that for sure is to be employed there, in administration, and see ASN's hired every day.
This may be so at your facility, but this thread is putting the topic in a larger context. According to the ANA hospitals that are seeking magnet status need to show that they have a plan to have 80% of their bedside nurses at a BSN level by 2020. This may not apply to your hospital.
Its not about the whining or the FEAR of more education. I am a mother and it took my 5 years to get my ADN, because being a great mother came first. I just don't understand all the hype about obtaining a BSN now. The test is the same in the end.
If the classes that I need to take will make me a better nurse, then so be it. I cannot see (right now) how statistics will make me a better nurse. I use ciritical thinking EVERYDAY anyways, as well as evidenced based nursing.
But it is what it is. My children are older, I did a great job with my kids, which was my goal. Now I can focus on school and getting my BSN.
The main reason why I completed my BSN is for job security and give me the ability to move to advanced degrees and specialties. Otherwise sticking to my ASN would be sufficient enough. I already had nursing research, community health and health assessment covered in my Associates program. The BSN was just a rehash of things I learned in my associates degree program plus more mindless paper writing and fluffing papers up.
I certainly can see that some people in high management may have stocks invested in textbook companies, colleges, universities etc and encourage the push to more advanced degrees to advance stocks. The costs of education today compared to years ago is insane, text books moreso; that's a discussion for another day.
I only did BSN for the security and ease to move around as I see fit and didn't learn much more compared to my ASN.
Really? Have a source for that or was it a SWAG? Anyway, my hospital provides $5k/yr in tuition reimbursement.
Meanwhile,do you have a source that most employers offer tuition assistance?
i probably would not even debate with myself about going back to school if my employer was paying for it.
Chamberlain's Rn to Bsn costs $15,000. I don't have that laying around,and i do not qualify for finacial aid because i make too much according to the FEDS.
Meanwhiledo you have a source that most employers offer tuition assistance? i probably would not even debate with myself about going back to school if my employer was paying for it. Chamberlain's Rn to Bsn costs $15,000. I don't have that laying around,and i do not qualify for finacial aid because i make too much according to the FEDS.[/quote']
I never said that most employers offer tuition reimbursement, I questioned YOUR assertion that they don't. You're spinning the argument around by putting the onus of proof on me instead of answering my question.
I never said that most employers offer tuition reimbursement, I questioned YOUR assertion that they don't. You're spinning the argument around by putting the onus of proof on me instead of answering my question.
Nu? How do you support your statement?
I guess i will just have to have a poll.
Based on my own experience since 2004,i have never had an employer offer tuition reimbursemernt or assistance.
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I guess i will just have to have a poll.
Based on my own experience since 2004,i have never had an employer offer tuition reimbursemernt or assistance.
In 2010 the hospital I was working for had two education programs. $1500/year tuition assistance, and a program to help nurses get a BSN or MSN in exchange for a period of full time work. The recertified for Magnet that year and literally the very next day after the hoopla over getting Magnet recertified they announced they were dropping both programs.
In the beginning, I did not know what I wanted to do.i copleted the legal secretary program at the community colloge. I remember thinking about the medical secretary prog. But didn't know much about medicine. I took about 20 credits in business. Just didn't know what iwanted to do. I was a single mom of two kids. One child has disabilities. Ended up doing home daycare. I attended a community program and obtained a child development certificate. Oh, I forgot about the classes to become a head start teacher. Anyway,MN I was an accredited lic. Daycare provider for 10 years. Decidef to go back to school. I went back obtained my Lpn continued and recieved my AD in Nursing. Im back in school again for my BSN. Not because iwant it, but I feel that I'm being forced. I have taken A&p twice. I have taken biology three times. I must take a chemistry class for my current program. I have taken nutrition three times. Why does every school want me to take more history courses. Now with my history, I am well roundef and have more than180 credits. With no BSN. Im okay with that. My employer is not. I am happy with my job and have no plans on leaving. The amount of debt, will have me paying my student loans with my SS. This is ridiculus. I am glad for nurses who want to go on back to school and get their BSN. I would recommend new students to go straight to their BSN. But dont discount all the hard work, that I put in and then tell me, I need more education to do the job that im doing, because then I will be more well rounded. Thank you for letting me vent. Oh and there is no such thing as an adult learning programs. Each school requires you to take their class. That is the reason for the repetition. That is how the schools make money.
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Just because its true for you does not mean its true for everyone else.
I do not work in a hospital. I work in Pdn.
There is barely any health benefits offered,much less tuition reimbursement and retirement bennies.
No employer contribution to 401k at ALL!
Not sure why you think i made that up?