Why DNP and not MD?

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I'm really curious about why the AACN wants all NPs to become DNPs. I understand the notion of "advancing nursing practice" but I think that there's going be a backlash towards this because (1)if you get the additional education, it doesn't mean you actually have the stature of and MD (2) what is it that you actually study? (3)if it requires you to get the same amount of schooling, why not just go for your MD?

I don't need to conduct any research to show a NP is not superior than a cardiologist... That is just common sense!

The same way one does not need to conduct a research to compare a CNA vs a LPN competency...

AndersRN I know you say you've got years of nursing experience, which means you should have been through an accredited nursing program I'm assuming.

In nursing school your instructors should have nailed it into your head pretty quick that your opinion is useless in the healthcare field. The only thing that matters if you claim it's more than your humble opinion is what peer reviewed research it's based off of. All the papers I had to write, research I had to do, even opinions I gave during lecture or clinical were always met with "Where is the peer reviewed research you cite for this?"

I used to get so frustrated because I would say, "It's common sense!" and then I would have a new assignment as punishment for my foolish statement.

In the professional realm nobody cares what your opinion is except your dog.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
I don't need to conduct any research to show a NP is not superior than a cardiologist... That is just common sense!

The same way one does not need to conduct a research to compare a CNA vs a LPN competency...

So your "common sense" outweighs any research. That is an interesting approach to EBP.

To recap you have stated over and over that APRNs are inferior to physician. Then when that research didn't work out for you picked specializations that don't usually have high rates of NPs and used that as some kind eureka moment. Then when challenged on that you stated that your undergraduate nursing education and common sense trumped any and all research in that area....

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So your "common sense" outweighs any research. That is an interesting approach to EBP.

To recap you have stated over and over that APRNs are inferior to physician. Then when that research didn't work out for you picked specializations that don't usually have high rates of NPs and used that as some kind eureka moment. Then when challenged on that you stated that your undergraduate nursing education and common sense trumped any and all research in that area....

OK... A NP is as competent as a Cardiologist then!

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AndersRN I know you say you've got years of nursing experience, which means you should have been through an accredited nursing program I'm assuming.

In nursing school your instructors should have nailed it into your head pretty quick that your opinion is useless in the healthcare field. The only thing that matters if you claim it's more than your humble opinion is what peer reviewed research it's based off of. All the papers I had to write, research I had to do, even opinions I gave during lecture or clinical were always met with "Where is the peer reviewed research you cite for this?"

I used to get so frustrated because I would say, "It's common sense!" and then I would have a new assignment as punishment for my foolish statement.

In the professional realm nobody cares what your opinion is except your dog.

i know you think having your DNP will make people think you are a doctor (i.e a physician)... It won't! People will just role their eyes when you introduce yourself as such in healthcare settings.

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i know you think having your DNP will make people think you are a doctor (i.e a physician)... It won't! People will just role their eyes when you introduce yourself as such in healthcare settings.

Oh, well that just wasn't a very friendly thing to say to a fellow nurse. ;) I've always held your opinion in such high regards.

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Specializes in critical care.

I'm failing to understand how/why an APRN could not develop expert level of knowledge on one body system and/or organ to the extent that they would be proficient in that speciality. My own neurosurgeon employs NPs to work with his patients in the outpatient setting. In this rural setting, it is a smart, effective and less costly way to ensure continuity of care while allowing the MDs to focus more on their surgeries and inpatient management of care.

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Specializes in critical care.
i know you think having your DNP will make people think you are a doctor (i.e a physician)... It won't! People will just role their eyes when you introduce yourself as such in healthcare settings.

And then, on Planet Earth, the rest of us will introduce ourselves appropriately because we don't WANT to be mistaken for physicians.

"Hello, Mr. Anders. I am Dr. Ixchel, nurse practitioner here at Awesomesauce Medical Center. What brings you in to see us today?"

"Well, Dr. Ixchel, I think I may be having a break from reality. I thought all the nurses had doctor envy, but it turns out, they actually prefer their degree programs and line of work. Is it possible I've hallucinated this? Or maybe it's a delusion?"

"Good question, Mr. Anders. Let's talk more about this and see if we can find a solution. If we can't, I have a wonderful colleague, Dr. Dogen, who is a Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioner."

"Wow! I had no idea you guys had actual, formalized specialties! Do they have their own degree programs?"

"Why, yes, Mr. Anders! And in these specialty programs, all of our clinical hours are spent primarily in that specialty, that way we are given the most exposure and the greatest amount of knowledge related to our own specialties."

"But what about all of the wannabe physicians running around with their fancy "Doctor" titles?"

"Good question. You see, many fields of study have degree programs leading all the way to doctorate, giving the person holding that degree the title of "Dr.". A nurse who possesses a doctorate is therefore appropriately addressed as Dr. after they are awarded their Doctoral degree."

"But!!!!!!! But you are all just a bunch of posers! I can't prove it, but you just ARE!!!"

(Loud speaker over head) "Dr. Dogen, you are needed in ED16, stat."

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It's always anyone's choice, but when one has some knowledge in healthcare as I have, you know who are competent and who are not!

Oh, so I guess the problem here is that none of the rest of us have any "knowledge in healthcare," huh? What special knowledge and insight do you have that the rest of us lack, specifically?

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I wonder why some states and hospitals already ban wannabe doctors (i.e. physicians) from calling themselves doctors in healthcare settings!

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
I wonder why some states and hospitals already ban wannabe doctors (i.e. physicians) from calling themselves doctors in healthcare settings!

Because physicians sit on the hospital boards and rarely do the APRNs.

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Because physicians sit on the hospital boards and rarely do the APRNs.

I don't know if it's because physicians sit on the hospital board or not. Even last year they took away NP/PA 'physician' lounge and parking privileges. i actually thought that was unfair...

But I agree with making professionals who are not physicians, dentists or podiatrists to stop introducing themselves as doctors in healthcare settings because I was tired of having to clarify to took many patients that these people are not real doctors (i.e. physicians)...

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I don't know if it's because physicians sit on the hospital board or not. Even last year they took away NP/PA 'physician' lounge and parking privileges. i actually thought that was unfair...

But I agree with making professionals who are not physicians, dentists or podiatrists to stop introducing themselves as doctors in healthcare settings because I was tired of having to clarify to took many patients that these people are not real doctors (i.e. physicians)...

Yes, your viewpoint is known. I'd say almost all your 54 posts you have listed on this website since your start of your profile in October 2015 has been in this thread saying that viewpoint, over and over and over.

At first it was entertaining but the merry go round has become boring.

Anybody new have anything interesting or relevant to contribute?

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