What do you all think of Single Payer HealthCare-Universal healthcare in CA

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What do you all think of Single Payer HealthCare-Universal healthcare in CA?

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Specializes in Maternal - Child Health.

Doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it. The state is bankrupt and can't begin to meet its current financial obligations, let alone new ones. Won't happen.

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Specializes in Gyn/STD clinic tech.

i am all for state's rights, so they technically have the 'right' to make this attempt, but it would be a finanial disaster. i do not think it could happen, they are struggling enough as it is.

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Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

Dear Californians,

See you on TV soon,

Sincerely,

The rioting people of Greece

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Specializes in NICU Transport/NICU.

Simple. Do some research on the single payer system in Mass. and see how well it is working out for them.

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Specializes in psych nursing/certified Parish Nurse.

For so many years I was highly-supportive of a universal healthcare with a single party payer...

After 2 1/2 million dollars in care for myself... I have learned some incredibly difficult lessons:

1) having one's medical records, as well as all other records in a centralized place--is contributing to a take-over of personal privacy. I'll tell you: no "other" ever really knows a person--no matter how much medical information is accrued. In my case, it led to near devastation of my ability to survive (apparently I am no longer considered "hireable"--a terribly-limiting thing in this economy)... loss of identity that could have produced a "zombie" had I not been so well-educated, spiritually-astute, intelligent, and had so many physician friends who could intervene, and, as well, I have been effectively "dismissed" as a worthwhile person by many: in spite of my many, many contributions to society and my Church.

2) There is no way to expunge the faulty and damning medical records (even though the proof of the wrongfulness is available, and mostly public). It seems that by being a "Medicare" patient--there is no way to have the records investigated (by statute, the only thing that can be considered are the medical records themselves--not testimony by physicians, myself, outside research (no matter how "legit" it is), or even family members.

3) Medicare has no venue for not paying providers who give substandard or harmful care... so there is no help there, either. Each person is so complex (often) there simply cannot be enough "statutes and laws" in place to cover all exigencies... therefore, the use of a "single party payer" will end up in failure and damning the persons who need help: totally aside from the financial burden we cannot take on at this time.

4) Socialized medicine (you really need to look up leowolfvine's blog for some telling thoughts on this) is producing such dependent and helpless people--who, in their lack of respect for themselves, foist onto others their entire well-being... never learning from the lessons of life and sufferng. I'm not saying there aren't people who can't support themselves (particularly in this economic collapse)--but many have no chance at all in that kind of system. Only the few who are creative and well-educated (I'm not talking about degrees here)... enough to figure out how to survive on their own are "making it"... but right now, even those are having a hard enough time (particularly after being "labeled" as "sick": this has been stigmatized so badly--no one will give them a job--even if they are capable). After all, the records ARE available (in spite of HIPPA laws)--and people "talk"!

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Specializes in ER, Trauma.

Letha, I am very sorry for your situation. I myself have become unhireable simply because my back has worn out. I have other medical problems, and my medical records are scattered coast to coast. You make a very compelling and personal case against a single payer system.

I have had similar experiences in the private (for profit) system. I could refute your conclusions point for point after a lifetime as a healthcare consumer, and decades as a provider. But I am most concerned by your final point which implies a universal healthcare system encourages people to become dependant on society, often out of lack of personal responsibility.

Ask any long time ER nurse and they'll tell you this has been happening for decades. People who live under overpasses and live generally "on the streets" are a regular feature in ER's, and generally are in far worse condition due to neglect for lack of care where "for profit" is the key to preventive and ongoing care.

It seems that a system with the noble mission of prolonging life and decreasing suffering should be easy to implement. Unfortunately in America money is the most important force, and life is at it's mercy.

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Specializes in M/S, MICU, CVICU, SICU, ER, Trauma, NICU.

it seems that a system with the noble mission of prolonging life and decreasing suffering should be easy to implement. unfortunately in america money is the most important force, and life is at it's mercy.

i agree that you've had it tough; and i feel for those in positions in life, not due to their own doing, but life's unfortunate events.

i have often said, but for the grace of god go i......

but my pragmatic side still sees the reality of our world and that someone, somewhere inevitably has to pay for this noble mission..

everything we do has a side effect, a consequence, a cost. this includes "free" healthcare.

there is no such thing, and blaming money is a very impractical road to follow.

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Simple. Do some research on the single payer system in Mass. and see how well it is working out for them.

Massachusetts was not a single payer universal health care system. It was a mandate to have health insurance.

Single payer Universal health care has passed twice and was veto by the governor.

Its going to pass again this year but our governor will pass it again.

Next year with a new governor it may actually pass.

Check out CalifroniaOnecare.org

They are pushing for a big ad campaign from a lot of people.

Thank you for all yoour opinions and keep them coming.

"We are the only industrialized country who has no "real" universal health care"

Single payer provides care for everyone based on residency not on income.

Everyone contributes through the usual taxes.

We spend a lot individually for health care and SB 810 would actually be cheaper including the millions non-insureed in CA.

It covers a broad range of care except cosmetics.

Their is no Cap when their is a serious illness.

Everything is regulated for a better patient care and affordability.

If the Nation would reform health care universally, CA would be the place to do it.

:coollook:

Here's the supporters to name a few!

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it seems that a system with the noble mission of prolonging life and decreasing suffering should be easy to implement. unfortunately in america money is the most important force, and life is at it's mercy.

i agree that you've had it tough; and i feel for those in positions in life, not due to their own doing, but life's unfortunate events.

i have often said, but for the grace of god go i......

but my pragmatic side still sees the reality of our world and that someone, somewhere inevitably has to pay for this noble mission..

everything we do has a side effect, a consequence, a cost. this includes "free" healthcare.

there is no such thing, and blaming money is a very impractical road to follow.

this is true. everyone pays and no body is left out and the driving force for profit is insurance companies and pharmaceuticals.

our health care is based on a business model!

but should health care be based on profit?

no.

so now its time for change from many professions and individuals.

advocacy and education is key in understanding and implementing sb810- ca bill

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Doesn't matter what anyone thinks of it. The state is bankrupt and can't begin to meet its current financial obligations, let alone new ones. Won't happen.

CA has a horrible budget deficit related to over spending and improper wasting instead of cost-effectiveness.

Single payer will help the budge because its implementing a system by integration.

It has passed the budget commission in CA which has passed and sent to the governor.

Change is scary and its also hard when your changing a profit driven system into a cost effective system where you realign it for the betterment of citizens. It will take time but the first step is passing this bill in CA.

You can tell the viability and strength of a country if they take care of their citizens health.

Money would be redistributed towards education and prevention. You may not see the out come of prevention because its hard to get concrete evidence but at our rate of chronic illnesses we need to prevent long-term illness with education and prevention.

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