Published Mar 6, 2012
navycorpsman2012
7 Posts
I am applying to several schools for nursing and i came across a private college that offers an ASN in 21 months. However, this program was only accredited last year and they have a 80 percent drop out rate. Yeah, 80 percent. 5 out of 25 initial students walked off to graduate. Is that unusual for a new program? If you were in my shoes, would you even consider such a college?
Im kinda on the edge about this because i dont want to take out loans (i disqualified for financial aid because of a previous bachelors) for a school that is new and still working out the kinks. Any thoughts on this subject matter will be appreciated.
ckh23, BSN, RN
1,446 Posts
I see these as big red flags. I would stay away. Go with a program that was been established and actually graduates students. There must be a reason for the 80% drop out rate.
SummitRN, BSN, RN
2 Articles; 1,567 Posts
80% is ridiculous. 80% says there is something wrong with the program. They either do not properly select their students or(and) have a terrible mismatch between their quality of instruction and their expectations.
This is usually seen in for-profit schools that are looking to make a buck off students, then kick out anyone who might not pass the NCLEX in order to keep the state from axing their program.
The best school screens people on the front end then clearly communicates expectations and teaches well in support of those standards so that the student doesn't waste time and money to have their dreams crushed.
My BSN program has a 1% drop rate, but the acceptance rate was ~5%.
001000110
33 Posts
50-80% is pretty common up here in Canada for nursing, from what I've heard. I also know it's very common in university level institutions (graduating from UWaterloo in a month).
My biochemistry class started with 300 people, 15 are in the graduating class. Competition and high drop-outs are not a bad thing, but it can be if the institution is causing it the wrong way.
FLboundBSN
186 Posts
STAY AWAY from those programs that say "get your ADN in only __ months!" I was sitting in Micro and some girl told us she went to a "school" like that that offered an ADN in __ months. She was almost done and paid about $500 per credit hour to this place, when she realized she wanted her BSN. She went to a local 4 year university and found out that NONE of the classes she took at that other "school" transferred! So now, she is at our community college, (our credit hour is still LESS THAN $100 per credit!) retaking all of her sciences so that they will transfer to the 4 year university. Those "schools", while they may SAY they are accredited, run far and run fast. You are probley much better off getting an ADN at the local community college and transferring to a 4 year for your BSN than doing one of those scam "diplomas" elsewhere. Good luck!
onepowerfullady, LPN
76 Posts
I was in a program like that one. I was one of the few that finished, however, go to a program that is already established. Save time, money, and heartache.
nurseprnRN, BSN, RN
1 Article; 5,116 Posts
i once taught at a very strong as program-- the faculty used to joke that it was a bsn crammed into 2 1/2 years, and we weren't far off. we also knew that the program accepted about 25% more students than we could handle, because we knew of a certainty that within three weeks we would all have students in our offices in tears because they were dropping out. we could count on losing 25% of the new students within three weeks. why?
"i always wanted to be / my mother always wanted me to be a nurse like my mother/my auntie/my pediatrician's nurse/cherry ames, but i didn't know that i had to learn so much hard science/can't stand looking at or touching naked bodies/thought it would be like on tv (this was pre-nurse jackie)/can't handle poop/can't handle vomit/wanted to do mother-baby nursing and didn't know i had to study anything else/don't want to take care of gross old people/thought it was just following doctor's orders/etc...."
these girls (and they were almost always girls) had no idea what nursing was really about. they were shocked at how much they needed to learn and take responsibility for. they were in tears because they didn't know what else they could do, having never thought of anything else.
we also had some who decided to stick it out but really weren't academically able to handle the science, math, and concepts of autonomy and nursing process, so they flunked out or withdrew. the ones that were left were generally excellent.
so, a big drop-out rate per se isn't necessarily indicative of a bad program. look also at nclex pass rates -- you can find them on line with ease.
classicdame, MSN, EdD
7,255 Posts
the norm is about 1/3 of the class not graduating. 80% would cause the Board of Nursing to require an action plan from the school to show how this rate will be improved. I would look elsewhere till they get their act together.