Was I wrong?

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I normally work in a cath lab and on rare occasions, we will have no procedures scheduled. On these days, we are floated to various floor as "helpers" (BTW, we are all RNs doing the floating here). We are not given assignments because something nasty always comes through the doors and we are called back to the cath lab.

The other day I had to float to our cardiac step-down unit. When I arrived to the floor, the charge RN gave me my assignment. My assignment was to do the first assessment of the shift on 6 patients. She started to give me a mini-report on each when I asked, "Am I being assigned these patients?" I had no problem with this as long as she had a back-up plan in case I had to leave suddenly. But she said, "No. These are Betty's (an RN) patients and she wants you to do her assessments."

Me: "What will Betty be doing?"

Charge: "Passing meds and dressing changes. You know, tasky stuff."

Me: "Wouldn't it be better if I did the "tasky stuff" and she assessed her own patients?"

Charge: "This is how she wants to do it."

I refused in the nicest way I could, but ended up with the manager of the floor, who for some reason felt she had to get involved, being very rude to me in the process. But I still refused.

So I started doing the tasky things. . .started a couple of IVs, passed meds, gave a few pain meds, answered call lights, walked a patient, etc.

After a couple of hours, the charge RN approached me and asked me if I would help Mary RN admit her new patient. "Sure!" I said. I get into the room and Mary tells me, "Why don't you do her physical assessment while I go check her orders." Huh? What is it with this floor? I again refused. And again I was the bad guy. And you guys, I have to interject at this point that I am very nice and easy going. It really bothered me that I was making people mad at me, but I felt like no one was listening to my reasoning. I was made to feel like I was being lazy or acting like a "snooty" cath lab nurse which was not the case at all.

The reason I was refusing to do these assessments is: When an RN accepts her assignment, is it not her duty under her state practice act to assess her patient and then plan that patient's goals around that assessment? (I realize I way over-simplified that, but for the sake of time. . .) What I was being told was that the law requires each patient be assessed by an RN each shift and they didn't care who the RN was doing the assessment just as long as it got done.

I just could not get through these nurses heads that THEY SHOULD WANT TO DO THEIR OWN ASSESSMENTS!!!!! How would they know what was going on with their patients if something would go wrong? Sure, it would have been documented. But, honestly, I just could not believe a nurse would accept her assignment and not want to do her own assessments. Especially a new admit!

I have had a few nurses on that floor stand up for me, which makes me feel better, but I am the type of person that wants everyone to like me and it really bothers me if someone thinks bad of me. (I think this is my "Middle Child Syndrome" rearing its ugly head!)

Anyway, does anyone out there think I was wrong? Should I have done those assessments?

Please be nice. . .I bruise easily.

Thanks!:roll

I think they get too comfortable that nothing will happen and that is a dangerous way to be. I think you were 3million% right! They ought to no better. Screw what people think of you you know what kind of person you are. You can't please the world and don't stress over doing so. You keep being the great caring conscienscious (sp) nurse you are! :-)

I agree that the nurse that admits the patients is responsible for the assessment. Occaisionally, I get that request from the med/surg nurses, when I call report to them about an admit (I work ER) they want me to complete the assessment before I bring the patient to their room. I won't do it either and have told them that they need to do their own assessments. I will give the patient any stat meds the doctor had ordered and such, but there is no way I should be responsible for someone elses admission assessment.

Specializes in LTC/Peds/ICU/PACU/CDI.
Originally posted by grouchy

If one RN said this I'd just write her off as the bad apple in the bunch. To have several RNs think this is normal is disturbing. To have the charge nurse AND manager backing them up is beyond shocking. Doing your own assessments is the expectation where I work!

I'm in total agreement with every poster here on this thread...and can't believe my eyes!!! How can any nurse ask someone whom they know may get pulled back to their respectives departments to perform six assessments; then turn around & try to trick that same person into during an administion assessment. I don't understand how people can be so...what else can I say...stupid, lazy or both!!! I have seen people all the time trying to pass-off the largest or worst assignment to the floater...which stinks...IMHO!!!

It makes no sense in even asking someone to do this unless the nurse that wanted to get-out of doing the assessment herself was, indeed, incompetent. Perhaps that will explain the supervisor's & unit manager's intent??? It makes no sense to me because they wouldn't know your assessment ablities like they know their own staffs', unless you were pulled to this particular unit quite often in the past.

I would like to question the legalities of what they were attempting. If something were to happened after you've assessed those patients, went back to your own department, & the assigned nurse didn't follow-up or missed any pertinent changes; I wouldn't be surprised if this staff nurse, her supervisor, & manager might try to pin it on you, st4304...you know, to cover their own a**. This is your license here...which I'm sure you've worked very hard to get.

I only suggest that you continue to refuse any ridiculous assigment that sounds like a set-up or that may endanger patients as well as your license. I know that this sounds rough & that a lot of people don't have that opportunity to refuse, but in your case, I think you were justified in refusing. Whenever something doesn't feel right, it usually isn't.:zzzzz :zzzzz

I would like to say a few words in defense of the other nurses. The M/S floor where I work is very busy and very hectic. We are overloaded with paperwork.

I believe that those nurses who were assigned to those patients assessed them every time they approached them. As all competent nurses do.

I think what they were really asking of you is: "Please do this tedious paperwork for me this one time and give me a chance to be a real nurse to my patient."

I know I would be blessed by the chance to provide care and not fill out the forms which justifies my existance to some bureaucrat. Just once, God, Please.

Kathartic

:rolleyes:

Sherri,

First off... you are exactly right in regard to who's responsibility the patient assessments were... Were you supposed to assess, and then give a verbal report? Often when I did floor nursing, and there was a team approach to get a new admit settled in, I would go back and re-assess within the hour, because it was my patient... Not that I didn't trust someone elses assessment, but because I was the nurse ultimately responsible for that pt's care.

Second, please don't expect everyone to like you... Some people are just going to be disagreeable. Love yourself and those around you, do what's right, and stand behind it!!!

Take care, and knowin your heart that you were right!

George

Specializes in Clinical Risk Management.

I don't know, Kathartic, I've worked in M/S most of my nearly 8 years as a nurse (I presently work in a call center, but I pick up shifts on the floor on Saturdays)...I would expect most RNs to assess their patients the first time they see the patient during that shift, whether they're giving meds, changing dressings, etc. That's my standard of practice, at least.

HOWEVER

I have also seen nurses (RNs) who didn't chart a single thing on their patient during the entire 12-hour shift. Makes me wonder if the assessment was even done?! I've also worked as the only RN on the floor, working with LPNs...I was required to do the admission assessment, & later found that the LPN caring for the patient didn't assess him herself because I already had!! These episodes happened at 2 different hospitals in different cities, about 3 years apart.

I believe that the manager & charge nurse may expect that the nurse "caring" for the patient DID perform the assessment, but why they'd expect someone floating through to chart it is beyond me.

Sherri congrats on taking a stand for your beliefs, not many people would do that. I can't imagine the primary nurse for a pt. not doing the morning assesment. Did the nurse at least know your style well as nurse and have full confidence in your assement skills (I am in no way insinuating our are not a good nurse, from your reaction I am sure you are a great nurse) but what if you were one of those nurses who did a half a$$ed assesment were would she stand at the end of the day if something was missed. Hope you don't end up floating to this floor with these problems again :)

Nancy

I am still a student, but I would say that you were right 100%! If you are the nurse doing the assessment, you would be responsible for that patient rather you get called back to cath lab or not. It would be MUCH better for the RN that will be taking the patient to do her own assessment, so that she has a complete personal picture of what is going on.

BrandyBSN - 52 days till finals are over :):)

Kathartic,

I agree with you. Having been on both sides of the coin, currently in CCU - many times when we're not busy we've been called out to the floor by the supervisor to go do a new admission assessment since the nurses are busting their behinds..and i don't mind it a bit. I give the nurse assigned to the patient a quick report on anything pertinent. REALITY CHECK: there's so much paperwork to do and these girls already have 9 or 10 patients apiece and maybe one tech on a 35 bed floor, and the admission assessment is 13 very detailed computer screens long! I'll also jump in and help some of the nurses on the unit if I'm not busy and they can't type well - I can get it done in 1/4 the time it takes them to since I type about 70 wpm. Also, more often than not, the nurse assigned to the patient is busy getting all the other admission stuff done, starting IVs, taking care of stat stuff, etc, and is in and out and hearing much of what's going on with the admit assessment. The biggest part of our admit assessment is history and assigning fall risk, nutritional risk, and determining if social services is needed (through a "trigger" questionnaire that is forever long for each one) and our policy says that will be done within one hour of the patient's arrival on the floor. If not for me coming in and doing that for them, it wouldn't be done in that time frame and you can't back-time that in the computer. Hey, I'm there for 12 hours anyway, it doesn't matter what they put me to doing as long as I don't have full responsibility for the patients when I'm floating. It's all about TEAMWORK. May not be the popular response, but it's reality.

Babs

Oh, and by the way, I always document when I report off to another nurse...covers me.

Babs

Please help! Although I was born in Australia, I did nursing school in Italy....which means I don,t understand exactly all medical terms. What do you mean when you refer to a nurse doing assessment?

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