Walden online University

Dodongo, APRN, NP · Apr 14, 2019

1 minute ago, umbdude said:
On the contrary, I actually think nursing, for whatever reason, is extremely lenient and forgiving of these crappy schools.
In my previous career, grads from these schools would never get the good-paying jobs. Unlike in nursing, there was simply no debate about these programs because it's fully understood that folks who went to these programs (100% acceptance rates) lack the intellectual capability to handle even the basic analytical work required on the job and they wouldn't get the rigorous training one would from a reputable program. Resumes with these schools wouldn't even make it to the bottom of the pile, they ended up in the trash.

This is exactly how it should be. And as the reputation of these schools gets out more and more hospitals and clinics (both for precasting and for hire) are screening applicants by program.

Like I said, one of my colleagues is precepting a Walden NP student and the medical director, after having her on rounds with him for 2 days, approached us asking why she couldn't answer a single question. So we are in the works of creating a list of schools from which our health system will no longer accept students. I'd like that to carry over into hiring.

PsychNPStudent32 · Apr 19, 2019

Dodongo: The ridiculousness of your comments regarding Walden University’s Nurse Practitioner programs are both laughable and uneducated. Just because you have worked with a few students who did not take the responsibility to prepare does not mean all Walden students are incompetent.

I currently attend Walden’s Psychiatric and Mental Health Nurse Practitioner program. Guess where I work as an RN and have already been offered a job in Minnesota????? Look towards the south-east corner of Minnesota; the main hospital in Rochester, Minnesota specifically. You can also google the top-ranked hospital in the country according to US News for 2018/2019. Have a great day.

Dodongo, APRN, NP · Apr 19, 2019

3 hours ago, PsychNPStudent32 said:
Dodongo: The ridiculousness of your comments regarding Walden University’s Nurse Practitioner programs are both laughable and uneducated. Just because you have worked with a few students who did not take the responsibility to prepare does not mean all Walden students are incompetent.
I currently attend Walden’s Psychiatric and Mental Health Nurse Practitioner program. Guess where I work as an RN and have already been offered a job in Minnesota????? Look towards the south-east corner of Minnesota; the main hospital in Rochester, Minnesota specifically. You can also google the top-ranked hospital in the country according to US News for 2018/2019. Have a great day.

Have you ever noticed how most poorly prepared students doesn't know they are poorly prepared. Dunning-kruger, overconfidence bias and all that.

I'm sure Walden, with it's 100% acceptance rate, open book exams, no lectures, no hands on training, etc is a great school. I've just met the wrong people. It's unfair that is has a terrible reputation.

hogger · Apr 19, 2019

9 minutes ago, Dodongo said:
Have you ever noticed how most poorly prepared students doesn't know they are poorly prepared. Dunning-kruger, overconfidence bias and all that.
I'm sure Walden, with it's 100% acceptance rate, open book exams, no lectures, no hands on training, etc is a great school. I've just met the wrong people. It's unfair that is has a terrible reputation.

Nobody in my system hires walden or any other for profit online Np graduate. We have had terrible experiences and I have no idea how these people got prescriptive authority. If a nurse asks me about becoming an FNP I tel them to go to a good school and that if they go to a crap school such as Walden or whatever I will not hire them nor will any of my colleagues no matter how good of a nurse they were before.

PsychNPStudent32 · Apr 19, 2019

35 minutes ago, Dodongo said:
Have you ever noticed how most poorly prepared students doesn't know they are poorly prepared. Dunning-kruger, overconfidence bias and all that.
I'm sure Walden, with it's 100% acceptance rate, open book exams, no lectures, no hands on training, etc is a great school. I've just met the wrong people. It's unfair that is has a terrible reputation.

Actually, one thing I have noticed is the abundance of patients who are transferred to my unit due to number of incompetent providers in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area.

"100% acceptance rate, open book exams, no lectures, no hands on training." All are completely false. Again, you are clearly uneducated.

PsychNPStudent32 · Apr 19, 2019

1 hour ago, hogger said:
Nobody in my system hires walden or any other for profit online Np graduate. We have had terrible experiences and I have no idea how these people got prescriptive authority. If a nurse asks me about becoming an FNP I tel them to go to a good school and that if they go to a crap school such as Walden or whatever I will not hire them nor will any of my colleagues no matter how good of a nurse they were before.

Sounds like your "system" is having trouble appropriately selecting and hiring applicants. Ouch, sorry to hear that.

Dodongo, APRN, NP · Apr 19, 2019

1 hour ago, PsychNPStudent32 said:
"100% acceptance rate, open book exams, no lectures, no hands on training." All are completely false. Again, you are clearly uneducated.

Hahaha, are you really going to sit there and lie? I am helping precept a girl from Walden's program right now. She and I have had a lengthy discussion about the program. She pulled up her assignments, which are like a "walk yourself through medicine" activity. It was ridiculous. No "exams" are proctored, which should embarrass you. Everyone gets accepted, which should embarrass you. There are no required on campus training sessions. It's up to us, the unpaid preceptor to do what the school should be doing. She writes a lot of discussion boards though. And instead of actually reading other people's posts she just has to say she did - but doesn't actually.

I can see why you're very proud to go there.

I am happy to say we no longer accept Walden students in our health system. Thank goodness.

PsychNPStudent32 · Apr 20, 2019

6 hours ago, Dodongo said:
Hahaha, are you really going to sit there and lie? I am helping precept a girl from Walden's program right now. She and I have had a lengthy discussion about the program. She pulled up her assignments, which are like a "walk yourself through medicine" activity. It was ridiculous. No "exams" are proctored, which should embarrass you. Everyone gets accepted, which should embarrass you. There are no required on campus training sessions. It's up to us, the unpaid preceptor to do what the school should be doing. She writes a lot of discussion boards though. And instead of actually reading other people's posts she just has to say she did - but doesn't actually.
I can see why you're very proud to go there.
I am happy to say we no longer accept Walden students in our health system. Thank goodness.

I’m lying? Haha ok, whatever helps you sleep at night. However, where should we begin to point out your lies? Walden students have “no hands on training”. I am required to complete nearly 650 practicum hours in a variety of psychiatric settings. More specifically: 160 hours of individual psychotherapy, 160 hours of group psychotherapy, 160 hours of child and adolescent psychiatric medication management, and 160 hours of adult/geriatric psychiatric medication management. All of these hours will be completed with some of the top PMHNPs in the country. Looks like my psychiatric department is currently ranked 7th in the nation according to US News. No hard feelings, I wouldn’t be interested in working for lower ranked systems anyways haha!

hogger · Apr 20, 2019

12 hours ago, PsychNPStudent32 said:
Sounds like your "system" is having trouble appropriately selecting and hiring applicants. Ouch, sorry to hear that.

No we are doing well thanks. But I am glad an fnp student can call an entire system out for having a hiring problem. We have no shortage of MLPs not a shortage of students from online FNP programs to say no to when they ask us to precept

Dodongo, APRN, NP · Apr 20, 2019

48 minutes ago, hogger said:
No we are doing well thanks. But I am glad an fnp student can call an entire system out for having a hiring problem. We have no shortage of MLPs not a shortage of students from online fnp programs to say no to when they ask us to precept

Right? This person clearly has no idea of the state of NP education and the current work force. Just a student from a terrible program. Confusing hands on training by the program with preceptor provided training. This is what crappy schools do. They provide essentially no education, and hope a measly 500-800 hours with a preceptor, who is unpaid, will bring you up to speed. But if you can find some of the TOP NPs in the country, well, by all means. I'm wondering how this is judged. Haha. So ridiculous. Enjoy being looked down on for the entirety of your career. It's not too late to switch programs.

Dodongo, APRN, NP · Apr 20, 2019

This person also doesn't understand, as a student, how these programs are affecting our practice. Physician groups are attending hearings across the nation on our FPA bills and easily defeating them by citing these programs. It's a slam dunk for them. It's really degrading NP practice.

Happy818, BSN, MSN, APRN · Apr 20, 2019

3 hours ago, Dodongo said:
Right? This person clearly has no idea of the state of NP education and the current work force. Just a student from a terrible program. Confusing hands on training by the program with preceptor provided training. This is what crappy schools do. They provide essentially no education, and hope a measly 500-800 hours with a preceptor, who is unpaid, will bring you up to speed. But if you can find some of the TOP NPs in the country, well, by all means. I'm wondering how this is judged. Haha. So ridiculous. Enjoy being looked down on for the entirety of your career. It's not too late to switch programs.

So you think a preceptor should be paid? How much did you pay? How much do you think you should be paid? Just curious since you tend to mention this often....