World Philippines
Published Oct 26, 2006
this is the latest news from cgfns. just in.
commission on graduates of foreign nursing schools (cgfns international) statement regarding visascreen® eligibility of philippine nurses taking the professional regulation commission's (prc's) june 2006 nursing licensing exam.
click the link for details: http://www.cgfns.org/sections/press/news/2006/10-25-06_vs.shtml
this is for information purposes only. no one should argue regarding this issue.
Rep
3,099 Posts
they really should scrutinize everyone.. and not just the passers of 2k6.
they really are regarding of what nle batch . it is that cgfns started to pay particular attention on the june 2006 and the manner how it was conducted. cgfns even release a newsletter regarding the june 2006 takers and it will affect them when they apply for the vsc.
they even gave a hint that in the us, if an exam is tainted, a total retake is done and said that it is "unusual" for the prc to order for a retake on some sections and also the recomputation process.
i see your point. but if u already made it in the nclex, y would they be dwelling on ur local board exam when they can question your nclex result and competence ? (jst wondering...hehe )i know a few people who did not even make it in the local boards.. who flunked the nle but made it in the nclex and are now working as us-rn...
i know a few people who did not even make it in the local boards.. who flunked the nle but made it in the nclex and are now working as us-rn...
just the same, when a filipino nurse applies for the vsc, they will ask the nurse if he/she has a prc license and if that nurse is a june 2006 passer then he/she has to admit it. if the nurse denies it, it will bring troubles later when cgfns will find out and will lead to revocation of the vsc and the green card.
even if the applicant is a nclex passer, it does not mean his /her june june 2006 license does not matter anymore to cgfns. it still does.
that is why, if filipino nurses want to work in the us, they should immediately apply and take the nclex instead of taking the nle first. it is just a waste of time.
the prc chairman who went against gma's executive order?!.... wow... very nice friends... no wonder gma merged the prc with dole... and appointed a different head who will take over...
my point is, we should put people who are worthy of experience and credibility instead based on having a personal or professional relationship with gma. by the way, gma had flip flop a lot on this issue, first, she ordered for a retake of the sections and then a total retake and then a wait and see the court decision . that does not make her an effective leader on this issue.
and also having a dentist whose job is pulling the presidents' teeth with out the proper credentials and experience and put her in a position as chairman of the prc is not an easy matter. the job of the prc chairman can not be handled by a person who has not experience running an organization.
she should go back where she is good at, that is pulling teeth.
its a sad truth.
agree
angelcharm
62 Posts
they really are regarding of what nle batch . it is that cgfns started to pay particular attention on the june 2006 and the manner how it was conducted. cgfns even release a newsletter regarding the june 2006 takers and it will affect them when they apply for the vsc.they even gave a hint that in the us, if an exam is tainted, a total retake is done and said that it is "unusual" for the prc to order for a retake on some sections and also the recomputation process.
tell me where they have said, that they are not going to accept and allow nle 06passers?! ive never heard of a black and white statement..
y would they go through all the scrutinizing of papers, backgrounds, cgfns exam if they are not open for consideration?
just the same, when a filipino nurse applies for the vsc, they will ask the nurse if he/she has a prc license and if that nurse is a june 2006 passer then he/she has to admit it. if the nurse denies it, it will bring troubles later when cgfns will find out and will lead to revocation of the vsc and the green card. even if the applicant is a nclex passer, it does not mean his /her june june 2006 license does not matter anymore to cgfns. it still does.
what an example! its an "if" example...
and why would he/she deny it?! ofcourse she/ he has to admit it (if asked) otherwise he/she can be charged of deceit/dishonesty..
the majority i believe did not cheat.. so i also believe that they will never deny an exam they have taken with all hopes and honesty.
its not easy to review.. you and i know that...
and to pass an exam that you have been working on for years is such a pride!
the nle i took did not waste my time...
because i have been doing the same review...
the nursing principles ive reviewed in the nle is the same nursing principled i reviewed for the nclex.. although there are a little modification...
if you are never going to work in the phil, the nle has no use for u.
but there is nothing wrong if u take it and pass it right?!
it doesnt hurt to take an exam where u know u r competent..
my point is, we should put people who are worthy of experience and credibility instead based on having a personal or professional relationship with gma. by the way, gma had flip flop a lot on this issue, first, she ordered for a retake of the sections and then a total retake and then a wait and see the court decision . that does not make her an effective leader on this issue.and also having a dentist whose job is pulling the presidents' teeth with out the proper credentials and experience and put her in a position as chairman of the prc is not an easy matter. the job of the prc chairman can not be handled by a person who has not experience running an organization. she should go back where she is good at, that is pulling teeth.agree
just because she has been the dentist of the president.. makes her incompetent?! if she was never competent i doubt gloria- the president.... will even let her teeth be assessed by her....
who said she has not experienced running an organization?!
she has been running the prc even before this tainted exam appeared.
and i believed she stood strong for prc... she has the quality of a leader who will not desert her subordinates in times of crisis.
also, she has answered questions stabbed at her squarely and with knowledge..
she never did ran away... unlike the president who just pops in once in a while and later on puts a dummy figure in brion's persona who will act in her place.
it is difficult for the president to make a hasty decision because she can be charged of contempt and besides her aunthenticity as a president is also in question (after that hello garci tapes)... she might provoke another people power...hehe... she could have made a final decision from the start of this mess before it got complicated.
peaceout! :beer:
Tell me where they have said, that THEY ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT AND ALLOW NLE 06PASSERS?! Ive never heard of a black and white statement..y would they go through all the scrutinizing of papers, backgrounds, cgfns exam if they are not open for consideration?
If you have been for awhile in this forum, you will know why. You can read the CGFNS guide page 14, you can read their press releases in their website and even the links posted by some forum members here then you will know why they are going to scrutinize every June 2006 passer.
and why would he/she DENY it?! Ofcourse she/ he has to admit it (if asked) otherwise he/she can be charged of deceit/dishonesty..
Following common sense, the nurse will admit it but it is up for the CGFNS to decide based on their own protocols and guidelines.
The majority i believe did not cheat.. so i also believe that they will never deny an exam they have taken with all hopes and honesty.ITs not easy to review.. you and i know that... and to pass an exam that you have been working on for years is such a pride!
ITs not easy to review.. you and i know that...
You are right, most of those passers did not cheat but the exam itself is tainted and has loss credibility. It is a bitter pill to swallow but rules are rules and these nurses are going to follow those rules especially when CGFNS mentioned that in the US, the standard practice is to do a total retake.
The NLE i took did not waste my time...because i have been doing the same review... the nursing principles ive reviewed in the NLE is the same nursing principled i reviewed for the nclex.. although there are a little modification...
the nursing principles ive reviewed in the NLE is the same nursing principled i reviewed for the nclex.. although there are a little modification...
This is a different time, I took and passed my NLE way back in 1991. Back then, you have to pass the NLE before you can apply to take the CGFNS certificate . And to take the NCLEX you got have a CGFNS because almost all the states then require the CGFNS.
NOw, it is different, Most of the states don't require the CGFNS anymore and anybody can take the NCLEX route with out a PRC license. But even if you have an NCLEX you have to pass the CGFNS again because of the Visa Screen Certificate.
if you are NEVER going to work in the phil, the NLE has no use for u.but there is nothing wrong if u take it and pass it right?!it doesnt hurt to take an exam where u know u r competent..
Following the above reason, If I want to work in the US right away after graduation, I would definitely review for the NCLEX instead of wasting my time trying to learn to take the NLE which is the Philippine setting which I won't be working.
It doesn't hurt to take the NLE but I won't be taking it.
Just because she has been the dentist of the president.. makes her incompetent?! If she was never competent i doubt gloria- the president.... will even let her teeth be assessed by her....
Yes, she is competent as a dentist that is why she is the president's dentist and that is that.
Who said she has not experienced running an organization?! She has been running the PRC even before this tainted exam appeared.And i believed she stood strong for PRC... she has the quality of a leader who will not desert her subordinates in times of crisis. Also, she has answered questions stabbed at her squarely and with knowledge.. she never did ran away... unlike the president who just pops in once in a while and later on puts a dummy figure in Brion's persona who will act in her place.
Who said she has not experienced running an organization?!
She has been running the PRC even before this tainted exam appeared.
And i believed she stood strong for PRC... she has the quality of a leader who will not desert her subordinates in times of crisis.
Also, she has answered questions stabbed at her squarely and with knowledge..
she never did ran away... unlike the president who just pops in once in a while and later on puts a dummy figure in Brion's persona who will act in her place.
Remember the phrase, " The army is run by the sargeants and not by generals?"
When she was put there in that position, it is already run by the professionals in the civil service, i.e. the employees of the PRC, . Put one here , put one there, she can manage because of those people working at PRC for so many years.
But she failed when it comes to leadership. Instead of using common sense and doing the right and proper way, she did what most Filipino leaders did, cover up their backs and did the most insensible thing which was order a retake of some sections and a recomputation which added up the mess the June 2006 nurses are in. That is why the CGFNS said it is "unusual."
Yes, she did not run because as most Filipinos in government except for a decent few like the recent resigned Sec of Defense Avelino Cruz. They stick to their positions as leaches even if their reputations are damaged already.
By the way, Sec Cruz resigned because of the comment he made regarding the People's Initiative as a "harebrain" idea and the cold shoulders he got from other cabinet members after he said that. He has "delicadeza." I off topic already here
It is difficult for the president to make a hasty decision because she can be charged of contempt and besides her aunthenticity as a president is also in question (after that hello garci tapes)... She might provoke another people power...hehe... she could have made a final decision from the start of this mess before it got complicated.
Agree, she could just have shut her mouth or make a final decision from the start.
peaceout!
This is a healthy debate of opinions.
if you have been for awhile in this forum, you will know why. you can read the cgfns guide page 14, you can read their press releases in their website and even the links posted by some forum members here then you will know why they are going to scrutinize every june 2006 passer.
hello rep, can u just show me the links?! i am a newbie here. i just signed up yesterday and still learning my way in this forum. i’ve never read any of your previous post or the previous topics here that has something to do with what we are discussing. so again, ive never heard of a black and white statement…
following common sense, the nurse will admit it but it is up for the cgfns to decide based on their own protocols and guidelines. you are right, most of those passers did not cheat but the exam itself is tainted and has loss credibility. it is a bitter pill to swallow but rules are rules and these nurses are going to follow those rules especially when cgfns mentioned that in the us, the standard practice is to do a total retake.
following common sense, the nurse will admit it but it is up for the cgfns to decide based on their own protocols and guidelines.
you are right, most of those passers did not cheat but the exam itself is tainted and has loss credibility. it is a bitter pill to swallow but rules are rules and these nurses are going to follow those rules especially when cgfns mentioned that in the us, the standard practice is to do a total retake.
sad fact: the exam was tainted by a dishonest few. but to put a blanket statement that nle 06 are incompetent is foul. you see, incompetence can be tested by different means and it is not limited to a nursing board exam.
since you mentioned that the standard practice in us is to do a total retake, i wanna know, if there was ever a cheating in the nclex… the testing centers and exams always prided themselves for integrity.
forget cgfns because there were leakages even before…hehe… but it has remained a secret and was never divulged publicly.. i know a few people who confessed to me that they have received the same questions in the cg from their review enter…
that is also one reason i think that this cg exam is just a money making business… hehe…
this is a different time, i took and passed my nle way back in 1991. back then, you have to pass the nle before you can apply to take the cgfns certificate . and to take the nclex you got have a cgfns because almost all the states then require the cgfns. now, it is different, most of the states don't require the cgfns anymore and anybody can take the nclex route with out a prc license. but even if you have an nclex you have to pass the cgfns again because of the visa screen certificate.
this is a different time, i took and passed my nle way back in 1991. back then, you have to pass the nle before you can apply to take the cgfns certificate . and to take the nclex you got have a cgfns because almost all the states then require the cgfns.
now, it is different, most of the states don't require the cgfns anymore and anybody can take the nclex route with out a prc license. but even if you have an nclex you have to pass the cgfns again because of the visa screen certificate.
you already said it… most states don’t require the cgfns…
take the nclex and pass it!!!
everyone will go through the same visa screening anyway…
whether they are 2006 nle passers or not.
following the above reason, if i want to work in the us right away after graduation, i would definitely review for the nclex instead of wasting my time trying to learn to take the nle which is the philippine setting which i won't be working. it doesn't hurt to take the nle but i won't be taking it.
following the above reason, if i want to work in the us right away after graduation, i would definitely review for the nclex instead of wasting my time trying to learn to take the nle which is the philippine setting which i won't be working.
it doesn't hurt to take the nle but i won't be taking it.
if you wish to get first hand experience in the phil, u better take the nle.
learning is never a waste of time. you only stop learning when you are dead. the same reason why i decided to engage in this forum... (to learn)
still, it all depends on u… it is your choice not to take…i cant argue on that.. hehe…
yes, she is competent as a dentist that is why she is the president's dentist and that is that. remember the phrase, " the army is run by the sargeants and not by generals?"
yes, she is competent as a dentist that is why she is the president's dentist and that is that.
remember the phrase, " the army is run by the sargeants and not by generals?"
let me use your own words against u… even if i do not agree with ur statement… “the army is run by the sergeants and not by the generals”
the prc chairman, lucero who is a dentist is the general
and the regional directors, the bon members, the employees are her subordinates… the sergeants…
my point is, since you said that the chairman was placed in the position becoz shes a friend of the pres and that she isn’t worthy and competent to be in the position... i would like to remind you that she doesn’t work alone here.. and the problem started from her subordinates (the bon) not from her…
now if we apply ur phrase…
it is like excusing the “general” from the predicament…
i have learned from my jurisprudence, “the master speaks for the subordinates”
and that is what the chairman is doing… although , the chairman is also at fault here for some reasons… but i disagree that she is incompetent and was only put in the position becoz she’s the dentist of the president. she still is in control...
if she was appointed, its because she has the background/ the credentials…..
when she was put there in that position, it is already run by the professionals in the civil service, i.e. the employees of the prc, . put one here , put one there, she can manage because of those people working at prc for so many years. but she failed when it comes to leadership. instead of using common sense and doing the right and proper way, she did what most filipino leaders did, cover up their backs and did the most insensible thing which was order a retake of some sections and a recomputation which added up the mess the june 2006 nurses are in. that is why the cgfns said it is "unusual."
when she was put there in that position, it is already run by the professionals in the civil service, i.e. the employees of the prc, . put one here , put one there, she can manage because of those people working at prc for so many years.
but she failed when it comes to leadership. instead of using common sense and doing the right and proper way, she did what most filipino leaders did, cover up their backs and did the most insensible thing which was order a retake of some sections and a recomputation which added up the mess the june 2006 nurses are in. that is why the cgfns said it is "unusual."
when did she ever order a retake of some sections?!
a recomputation, i believe happened.. which was later on returned back to its original computation... but a retake order?!
there was no retake… not even to some parts of the exam…
your statement is uhmm "intriguing"… hehe
yes, she did not run because as most filipinos in government except for a decent few like the recent resigned sec of defense avelino cruz. they stick to their positions as leaches even if their reputations are damaged already. by the way, sec cruz resigned because of the comment he made regarding the people's initiative as a "harebrain" idea and the cold shoulders he got from other cabinet members after he said that. he has "delicadeza." i off topic already here
yes, she did not run because as most filipinos in government except for a decent few like the recent resigned sec of defense avelino cruz. they stick to their positions as leaches even if their reputations are damaged already.
by the way, sec cruz resigned because of the comment he made regarding the people's initiative as a "harebrain" idea and the cold shoulders he got from other cabinet members after he said that. he has "delicadeza." i off topic already here
informative… no problem.
there are too many rotten leaders.. look at the master.. hehe…
agree, she could just have shut her mouth or make a final decision from the start.this is a healthy debate of opinions.
agree, she could just have shut her mouth or make a final decision from the start.
this is a healthy debate of opinions.
yup tnx
lawrence01
2,860 Posts
CGFNS knows what's going on. NCSBN ,likewise knows what some are doing immediately before, during, and after the NCLEX exam. This is why NCLEX testing would never be done in the Philippines in the foreseable future.
yup. nclex denied phil this year as possible nclex testing site..
if the phil was not approved this year, i think its for the best
but they have not closed on future deals...
so what do u know in the future?!
maybe they will change their mind hehe
Hello Rep, Can u just show me the links?! I am a newbie here. I just signed up yesterday and still learning my way in this forum. I've never read any of your previous post or the previous topics here that has something to do with what we are discussing. So again, ive never heard of a black and white statement...
You can read the first page of this thread because one poster posted a link there and you can go to the thread titled " NCSBN rules out Philippines as NCLEX site." Go through the whole thread and you will encounter more links there.
I am for the integrity of the exam, integrity of the profession and integrity of the Filipino nurses worldwide.
pink_20
78 Posts
CGFNS has said that they abide by the courts, and the courts do not agree with PRC issuing the license. They have stated that they will not give permission to sit for the CGFNS exam based on the NLE exam of June and they will not issue a VSC as there is no license to verifiy that they accept. They have stated that requirements must be followed as in the US, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. Not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.You are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that I have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from HR people all over the country. You may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. And from a Risk Manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.And you cannot get thru the Visa
They have stated that requirements must be followed as in the US, and that is if there is an issue with any licensing exam, the entire exam in retaken by all. Not just a part, or from a certain location if there are issues such as what went on with the above.
You are also going to find it increasingly hard to find an employer, all that I have spoken with are not willing to touch a nurse that took that exam without a retake, and that is from HR people all over the country. You may find a nursing home or an unscrupulous agency to take you, but as far as finding hospital work, they facility could be open to lawsuits later on, etc. And from a Risk Manangment standpoint, none are willing to go that route.
And you cannot get thru the Visa
Are you sure about this news? Can you give me the exact link for this news...Because I know that although cgfns does not think that the issue was already resolved they consider the licenses of the june2006 passers as valid. They did not say that they will deny their visas.
The cgfns also said that they respect and abide the decision of the court. The decision of the court of appeals was to let the passers take their oath and to register.......
suzanne4, RN
26,410 Posts
CGFNS states that the license must be obtained under the same requirements as the US. The US requires that any time there is any issue with any licensing exam, all that took it need to retake it. And that is not what is being done. CGFNS cannot tell the Philippines on how to do something, but they can make sure that the nurse meets the standards for the US.
And the courts in the Philippines have asked that the licenses not be issued and that is per the Supreme Court, the PRC responded that they will do as they please essentially. Supreme Court outweighs any Court of Appeals in the judicial system.
And if you bother to do any reading, you wil see all that have posted that the VSC has been denied for them.
The Supreme Court asked the prc not to release the licenses?hmmm.........Can you give me the link so I can read the article about that.........I think there was a petition filed by the UST to the supreme court to reverse the ruling of the court of appeals..........
But there wasnt any statement given by the supreme court that they asked the prc not to release the licenses........
