Undocumented Patients

Zooey72 · Dec 31, 2016

Sorry, I just can't help it. You just threw out a bunch of generalizations on things you believe about poor migrants that do pay taxes and do supply their own healthcare w/o a shred of proof (as in a primary source) and than go on to criticize my arrogance about wanting people to use primary sources?

The only tax all illegals pay is sales tax. No one has a choice in that. The people who do the 'picking' that you describe either do not make enough to contribute or are completely paid under the table. I don't even need a primary source for that one, because if it were not true than those illegals would make over the 45% required to contribute more than they take; in which case you can rest assured Americans would do those jobs (not to mention somehow you think that illegal field hands are offered comprehensive medical benefits that you give no source for).

The blind altruism is stunning to me. As you point out these people are low skilled, and being low skilled having 12 million of them here depresses American low skilled labor. That is just Econ101. While this probably does not bother you I bet it would if all of a sudden 12 million illegal nurses entered the country (currently only 3 million nurses nationwide) and the corresponding salary of nurses dropped 75%.

It would not bother you to see the median nursing income in this country drop from 68k to 17k?

And I have never bought "doing work Americans refuse to do". As all of you know if you pay someone enough they will stick a finger up someone else's but (nursing).

You are right when you say money is being infused into the economy by illegal immigration. It just isn't our economy.

Forbes Welcome

I restate, instead of emotion use facts please.

Longleggedstar · Dec 31, 2016

Are you a nurse, or a paid Trump advocate (you love him, we get it!), now can you please get back on topic? With that said, have you ever taken care of any undocumented patients? How did you feel about them while they were in your care? Please tell me you did not passive aggressively treat them as though they didn't deserve care. Furthermore, I doubt anyone here is trying to win wars or battles simply trying to get you to understand that illegal immigrants do pay taxes, both my parents worked grossing about 65000-70000 a year together taxes came out of their check q pay period and to the best of my knowledge, we filed them every year at those tax places on shopping strips, or libraries, churches, etc. They do have LEGAL ID from DMV its difficult but not impossible to get (I had one for 6 years, before I applied for papers) Yes, I was once illegal and now I'm a Registered Nurse (GASP!), who knows we may work alongside each other one day ! Also we do pay for healthcare, as children we didn't go to the doctor much (twice in my whole 18 years I remember) but when we did our dad made sure to have the cash on hand. A lot of us work really hard and try to stay under the radar, I will never understand why people seek to blame undocumented immigrants in majority for the perils of this countries healthcare system, when we represent a small small portion of this country.

Let this debate go sis, the truth is the user you are chatting with is not a nurse. You are asking him to see your stance on this issue from a level and status in which he has not attained. He is wanting you to look at nursing as fact vs fiction black vs white, etc. And every nurse knows nursing is one of the most "grayish" professions. His obvious disdain and stereotyping of illegal immigrants in relation to receiving patient care in our healthcare system at this point is a non-factor as no patients will be subjected to his care at this time. Just find peace in that.

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