The Lazy, Lackadaisical MDAs

[TheNextCRNA]

In what clinical setting, do you see MDAs administering the anesthesia, sitting alongside the patient monitoring him or her during the case?

I've shadowed in 6 hospitals and 1 surgery center and not once have I seen an MDA doing the case in the OR, always the CRNA. Is Florida just wacky like that? Where must I go to see the MDA doing the case?

Thanks

[Purple_roses]

You're right, lazy wasn't the best word to use. Rather I feel some are unworthy of such high compensations relative to their counterparts, that's all.

They do deserve the pay IMO, even if they aren't doing as much as you think that they should be. Think about how many patients have complained that RNs shouldn't make as much as they do because they just see them "sitting or standing around." You don't know the full extent of what they are doing. They're also being paid for the knowledge they possess and their ability to give further direction.

[TheNextCRNA]

Knowledge can be obtained faster and more accurately than before thanks to the internet. In addition, I highly doubt MDAs retained the information from 8 years prior when they first were admitted into med school. No amount of knowledge can justify a twofold increase in salary.

[Purple_roses]

Knowledge can be obtained faster and more accurately than before thanks to the internet. In addition, I highly doubt MDAs retained the information from 8 years prior when they first were admitted into med school. No amount of knowledge can justify a twofold increase in salary.

No, that kind of knowledge cannot simply be obtained over the Internet.

[TheNextCRNA]

If you say so.

[TheNextCRNA]

And to further support my argument, there is a threshold to the amount of knowledge one can attain from anesthesia, after that you're just wasting your time. Do you think a resident who studied 16 years of anesthesia knows more than one who only studied 8? Probably not.

[klone, MSN, RN]

So why don't you go to med school and become an anesthesiologist?

[akulahawkRN, ADN, RN, EMT-P]

And to further support my argument, there is a threshold to the amount of knowledge one can attain from anesthesia, after that you're just wasting your time. Do you think a resident who studied 16 years of anesthesia knows more than one who only studied 8? Probably not.

So, what evidence do you have to support the notion that there is a limit to the amount of knowledge that can be "attained from anesthesia?" There are no "residents" of 16 years or 8 years in anesthesia. They'll be Attending Physicians (if MDA already) and the 16 year attending will likely have seen far more complicated cases than the 8 year attending vs the newly minted attending that just completed 4 years of Med School and then 3-4 years of MDA training. It's much like arguing that there's no point in attending school past the 8th grade... because by the 2nd year of college, you've learned nothing new.

[TheNextCRNA]

What, in any of my comments, made you suggest that?

[TheNextCRNA]

Not a valid argument. You're comparing a narrow, limited field in medicine to the scope of the entire education system which is broad in curriculum. For that reason, I won't waste my time arguing

[akulahawkRN, ADN, RN, EMT-P]

What, in any of my comments, made you suggest that?

I suggest you look below...

And to further support my argument, there is a threshold to the amount of knowledge one can attain from anesthesia, after that you're just wasting your time. Do you think a resident who studied 16 years of anesthesia knows more than one who only studied 8? Probably not.

Knowledge can be obtained faster and more accurately than before thanks to the internet. In addition, I highly doubt MDAs retained the information from 8 years prior when they first were admitted into med school. No amount of knowledge can justify a twofold increase in salary.

It also seems that you're a little antagonistic about MDA vs CRNA education. Since your profile suggests you are "pre-nursing" I suspect that you may have some misperceived notions of some things.

[akulahawkRN, ADN, RN, EMT-P]

Not a valid argument. You're comparing a narrow, limited field in medicine to the scope of the entire education system which is broad in curriculum. For that reason, I won't waste my time arguing

You're arguing that a narrow, limited function education (CRNA) is equivalent to a broad, in-depth medical education as an MDA.

[Hey-nurse]

Hilarious.

Thank you, OP.