TheNextCRNA

Not a valid argument. You're comparing a narrow, limited field in medicine to the scope of the entire education system which is broad in curriculum. For that reason, I won't waste my time arguing

What, in any of my comments, made you suggest that?

And to further support my argument, there is a threshold to the amount of knowledge one can attain from anesthesia, after that you're just wasting your time. Do you think a resident who studied 16 years of anesthesia knows more than one who only studied 8? Probably not.

lol, real funny.. you're the only one who answered the question though,lol

If you say so.

Every one is entitled to their own opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if you had some good friends or close affiliations with MDAs. Since you argue CRNAs are safe, why are they even supervised? The health care system can't afford to have more MDAs, they are too much of a strain on the system.

Knowledge can be obtained faster and more accurately than before thanks to the internet. In addition, I highly doubt MDAs retained the information from 8 years prior when they first were admitted into med school. No amount of knowledge can justify a twofold increase in salary.

Thanks for the information. What state are you in? And so how long have you been in ICU and are you applying to crna programs soon? Why did you only apply to 2 hospitals? How long were your classmates techs before getting the ICU position? And what kind of tech are we talking here? How long will it take to get my ACLS, PALS, and BART? I'm willing to relocate anywhere, as long as I can get into the ICU with little to no experience. They train you on the job, right? I only want to spend a year in the ICU so that I can apply to NA programs. How much does the ICU spend on its nurses for orientation etc?

But we have no person to compare the CEO to, he is at the top all by himself, rightfully so. CRNAs and MDAs perform the same function, more or less. Not sure why you are defending MDAs so strongly.

I know some choose to practice independently without the ACT but why do others need to be supervised in the first place?

Skip, my point is not whether MDAs deserve high compensation. Of course they do. But if i'm supervising you to mow several thousand lawns, shouldn't we be getting paid equally? If the national annual income averages for the two professions was off by $50,000, I wouldn't be having this conversion, but it's not, it's off by $150,000. Compensation should correlate with contribution. The majority of MDAs aren't working twice as hard, it's just the doctor title that entitles them to more, supposedly.

You're right, lazy wasn't the best word to use. Rather I feel some are unworthy of such high compensations relative to their counterparts, that's all.

In what clinical setting, do you see MDAs administering the anesthesia, sitting alongside the patient monitoring him or her during the case? I've shadowed in 6 hospitals and 1 surgery center and not once have I seen an MDA doing the case in the OR, always the CRNA. Is Florida just wacky like that? Where must I go to see the MDA doing the case? Thanks

Can you explain to me how the residency works? So now you have to commit yourself to 4 years in surgical before going to ICU?

"If MDAs and CRNAs both made the same, what would be the incentive to hire CRNAs?" The MDA did two years of general book work, 2 years of really general and vague hospital rotations (1-2 months each) to see where he or she would fit (4 years wasted). At this point the ICU nurse has worked their butt off, providing care to the sickest patients, and getting real world experience. Why wouldn't there be an incentive to hire more crnas? They should be equally compensated for their equal contributions. The adage goes "use it or lose it". I rather have a crna put me to sleep than an MDA who hasn't touched a case in years. What's that in your avatar picture, a big shark chasing a boat? Yes, I've read studies that CRNAs provide the same quality of care as MDAs and I think most people agree on that. But the real question is how long will it be for something to be implemented; for action to be taken? How long will it be before the MDA party is put to a halt (your best prediction-5 years,10 years, 50 years from now)?