At first I wasn't going to write this post since I believe that a film that appears to be (at least in part) based on thoroughly discredited, fear-mongering nonsense should get as little attention as possible.
Then after browsing several anti-vaccine and conspiracist websites I found as I suspected, that this has already exploded and whatever I write here won't make matters any worse.
The film 'Vaxxed' is directed by Mr Andrew Wakefield, a former physician who lost his medical license after research that he had authored, was found fraudulent (containing as I understand it, both methodological and ethical flaws).
Just watching the trailer for this film elevated my BP into dangerous territory. How is it that this man keeps promoting the same debunked data to this day? Hasn't it caused enough harm already?
It seems that anti-vaccine proponents span the entire spectrum from sadly misinformed to clearly unhinged. However, no matter what their individual motivation happens to be, they are in my opinion dangerous. We have fought a hard battle against diseases that today are vaccine-preventable. Millions of children have died in the past and some still do, to this day. We don't see much of it in first-world countries due to the success of vaccines. Anti-vaccine proponents seem to believe that the "olden days" were better. I think it's deeply worrisome.
In my escapades around the internet, I've found all sorts of scary blogs, clips and opinions relating to childhood vaccines.
This YouTube clip rather amusingly (in a sad way) has 90 likes and zero (!) dislikes (probably because no rational person would even click on it in the first place). (I'm not sure what this says about me)
Anyway this women thinks that nagalese (an enzyme) is added on purpose to vaccines in order to induce autism, cancer and type 2 diabetes in vaccine recipients. And the doctors who discovered this were subsequently murdered to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
(It seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactoseaminidase (referred to as nagalese in the YouTube clip) can deglycosylate vitamin D binding protein (DBP) and DBP plays a role in the immune cascade response. So it seems that alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase can interfere with the immune response. While some cancer cells can release alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase, I've found no proof that injecting them into humans induces cancers, never mind autism and DMII. I will however admit that I didn't spend an inordinate amount of time researching her theory).
I admit that this last video is a bit extreme. But this woman and other "anti-vaxxers" have one thing on common. They are willing to accept something as true, even when there is no supporting evidence available.
Serious questions:
* Why are some people so vulnerable/susceptible to flawed logic and poor research?
* What can we as nurses/healthcare professionals do to ensure that our patients base their decisions on sound evidence-based facts or at least have the opportunity to do so? Or should we just reconcile ourselves with the fact that a portion of the population will base their decisions on questionable or outright false information, misconceptions and fear?
Unless you have been affected by vaccines then it is easy to say "oh they are fine get many of them." Go to the CDC website and educate your own self. Read and study the ingredients. It is nice to think you are all high and mighty because you have never been affected by one and try to get healed from them. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Everyone should have a choice to what they put in their or their child's body. There are proven studies that show 10 years of flu vaccine causes increase in Alzheimer's. If your child was happy and healthy, had the 10 vaccine shot regime then changed to autistic child or even worse died within 10 days with the only thing being different was vaccines you would question them also.
Macawake, I appreciate your post, but only because you clearly voiced your opinion (a freedom) out of concern for others' well-being (compassion--a good thing). I will use a quote I heard one doctor say about current treatment of cancer: "You can't fault physicians for not knowing the truth, when the only education they get teaches them differently." Physicians are taught by pharmaceutical company-backed and supported research, (which, by the way, has been called-out on being skewed. Research should be done by an independant lab, but is done by the company who stands to profit from the said research.) Same goes for vaccines.
If one were to study how vaccinations affect the immune system, it would become clear that man-made induced vaccinations run counter to the natural process of building immunity. I studied under a physician who taught this very information, so I clearly see how what we are taught as nurses (and doctors) is not helping things. For instance, why do we inject foreign substances into children before their immune systems are fully developed (which occurs around age 6 or 7)? It is the snotty noses and fevers in childhood ilnesses that develop the immune system! So, why do we suppress fevers, when it's the fever that stimulates the production of WBC's to the tune of 10,000 extra WBC's PER SECOND for each degree above normal temp? I actually know of families who vaccinated some children and not others, and the ones without.have proven to be much , much healthier. Overloading the immune.system with the onslaught of more and more and more vaccines is actually weakening the immune response.
But back to the topic at hand. I must confess, I haven't seen this movie. But I do have friends who are Naturopath Doctors, who have watched their friends die of suspicious causes. I have heard one doctor state there are nanobacteria in vaccines that no one knows what to do with. They're just there. I have personally taken care of 3 children who were fine one day, got their vaccinations, and within two days were paralyzed. AND, I know of a pair of twins who died--together!--after receiving their vaccinations. SIDS was ruled out in that case, and the etiology of their demise remains "unknown".
One example I argue, is why give chicken pox vaccine? It is temporary and puts the individual at risk for complications later in life. Whereas just having chicken pox as a child will give lifetime immunity. I am so grateful my children actually had chicken pox!
We all see the world through the lenses of our own learned responses. I have learned there is too much at risk to just blindly accept vaccines as the answer to building health. I personally believe in building up the immune system, accepting the body's natural ways of eliminating toxins and working WITH the body's natural ways.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that, when you claim these conspiracies are built upon fears without any foundation (scientific facts), I argue, your opinion is also lacking facts. There is a plethora of scientific and medical proof to support these claims against mass vaccination.
I wish I had time to site all the sources from all that I have claimed here, but today I do not have time for that. I really wish I did. Because ALL medical professionals need to be educated. The only ones coming out on top with our current practices are the pharmaceutical companies and the for-profit medical practices.
Thank you. Since your responded to me, let me point out I said nothing about kids that are home schooled.
You're right, Farawyn. You didnt - I didnt mean to "attack" you for this - I fully admit that I stink at this and only meant to answer the question you worded so well. I didnt actually mean to respond to you only. My intention was to clear up some misconceptions posted in many responses here about homeschoolers - but none were by you.
Thank you for pointing out that it is my duty, ad nauseum. But after 20+ years, and so much sadness....it's really hard to be that hospital nurse of those patients who resulted in really awful outcomes because the parents chose not to vaccinate/have a high risk birth at home/refuse meds, etc etc
I am tired of being blamed when these families come into the hospital. I'm tired of being seen as the "bad guy" by them, when I'm the one actually trying to save the child's life. This I cannot understand.
Unless you have been affected by vaccines then it is easy to say "oh they are fine get many of them." Go to the CDC website and educate your own self. Read and study the ingredients. It is nice to think you are all high and mighty because you have never been affected by one and try to get healed from them. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Everyone should have a choice to what they put in their or their child's body. There are proven studies that show 10 years of flu vaccine causes increase in Alzheimer's. If your child was happy and healthy, had the 10 vaccine shot regime then changed to autistic child or even worse died within 10 days with the only thing being different was vaccines you would question them also.
Please provide links to the studies that prove that the flu vaccine causes Alzheimer's. Also, I've watched a child die from tetorifice. It was a horrible, painful death that could have been avoided had the child been vaccinated.
I'll repeat a point I made earlier. If a parent chooses to with hold vaccines, they need to understand there will be consequences. That unvaccinated child should be homeschooled so as not to put others at risk. Choosing not to immunize your child has repercussions that extend far beyond that one child. Choosing to put your own child at risk may be ok, but it is not ok to put others at risk. And one more time, there is no evidence that vaccines cause autism. None, nada, zip.
Unless you have been affected by vaccines then it is easy to say "oh they are fine get many of them." Go to the CDC website and educate your own self. Read and study the ingredients. It is nice to think you are all high and mighty because you have never been affected by one and try to get healed from them. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Everyone should have a choice to what they put in their or their child's body. There are proven studies that show 10 years of flu vaccine causes increase in Alzheimer's. If your child was happy and healthy, had the 10 vaccine shot regime then changed to autistic child or even worse died within 10 days with the only thing being different was vaccines you would question them also.
You know our health statuses now?
Please link the proven studies re: flu vaccines and Alzheimer's. Thank you.
Measles is one of the leading causes of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available.
In 2014, there were 114 900 measles deaths globally – about 314 deaths every day or 13 deaths every hour.
Measles vaccination resulted in a 79% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2014 worldwide.
During 2000-2014, measles vaccination prevented an estimated 17.1 million deaths making measles vaccine one of the best buys in public health.
Measles is a highly contagious, serious disease caused by a virus. In 1980, before widespread vaccination, measles caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.
(my bold)
I see both sides.
Read prisonplanet, alex jones, infowars, The Creature From Jekyll Island, Captain Joyce Riley, RN, USAF (retired), Sherri Tenpenny, D.O., Chas M. HIggins, Neil Z. Miller, Tim O'Shea - to get an idea of what concerns people have about vaccines.
It might be a good idea to visit these sites if I want to find out what some people believe, but if I read these sites to educate myself on vaccine-related science, I would in my opinion deserve to have my nursing license revoked.
Just a side thought - Bibles and Ten Commandments aren't allowed in public schools, but school staff can give out free condoms to students.
No prayer in schools, no aspirin, Tylenol, or Ibuprofen for kids without parental permission,but staff can transport kids to have an abortion without parental permission or even awareness! Abortions, for God's sake! Invasive, life-threatening surgery on our children and parents are not asked or even told about them.
Anyone with good sense knows this is WRONG.
And nurses have a lot of good sense.
I don't want to argue, I am just posting.
Not only doesn't this have much of anything to do with the topic of this thread, but isn't it a bit disingenuous to present opinions on rather controversial issues, and add that anyone who doesn't agree with you lacks good sense, and still claim that you don't want to argue?
Macawake, I appreciate your post, but only because you clearly voiced your opinion (a freedom) out of concern for others' well-being (compassion--a good thing). I will use a quote I heard one doctor say about current treatment of cancer: "You can't fault physicians for not knowing the truth, when the only education they get teaches them differently." Physicians are taught by pharmaceutical company-backed and supported research, (which, by the way, has been called-out on being skewed. Research should be done by an independant lab, but is done by the company who stands to profit from the said research.) Same goes for vaccines.
If one were to study how vaccinations affect the immune system, it would become clear that man-made induced vaccinations run counter to the natural process of building immunity. I studied under a physician who taught this very information, so I clearly see how what we are taught as nurses (and doctors) is not helping things. For instance, why do we inject foreign substances into children before their immune systems are fully developed (which occurs around age 6 or 7)? It is the snotty noses and fevers in childhood ilnesses that develop the immune system! So, why do we suppress fevers, when it's the fever that stimulates the production of WBC's to the tune of 10,000 extra WBC's PER SECOND for each degree above normal temp? I actually know of families who vaccinated some children and not others, and the ones without.have proven to be much , much healthier. Overloading the immune.system with the onslaught of more and more and more vaccines is actually weakening the immune response.
But back to the topic at hand. I must confess, I haven't seen this movie. But I do have friends who are Naturopath Doctors, who have watched their friends die of suspicious causes. I have heard one doctor state there are nanobacteria in vaccines that no one knows what to do with. They're just there. I have personally taken care of 3 children who were fine one day, got their vaccinations, and within two days were paralyzed. AND, I know of a pair of twins who died--together!--after receiving their vaccinations. SIDS was ruled out in that case, and the etiology of their demise remains "unknown".
One example I argue, is why give chicken pox vaccine? It is temporary and puts the individual at risk for complications later in life. Whereas just having chicken pox as a child will give lifetime immunity. I am so grateful my children actually had chicken pox!
We all see the world through the lenses of our own learned responses. I have learned there is too much at risk to just blindly accept vaccines as the answer to building health. I personally believe in building up the immune system, accepting the body's natural ways of eliminating toxins and working WITH the body's natural ways.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say is that, when you claim these conspiracies are built upon fears without any foundation (scientific facts), I argue, your opinion is also lacking facts. There is a plethora of scientific and medical proof to support these claims against mass vaccination.
I wish I had time to site all the sources from all that I have claimed here, but today I do not have time for that. I really wish I did. Because ALL medical professionals need to be educated. The only ones coming out on top with our current practices are the pharmaceutical companies and the for-profit medical practices.
You do realize we aren't talking about snotty noses, but disease that used to kill people, yes?
Naturopath Doctor, hmm. I'm thinking this is an oxymoron. I will read up.
"Jenny McCarthy and Botox was the best example, IMO." I love this.
Dr. Dean Edell had a call in "ask the Dr". show many years ago. He loved the story in the local news about a woman who qualified for county assistance, section 8, housing, but she claimed she had multiple chemical sensitivities so at much added cost a special housing unit had to be made for her. And.....tah dah...she had streaked blond highlights in her hair!
That is the beginning of science. There are data on both sides of this issue; the difference is that it has become so unpopular to further investigate this matter that few dare touch it. We publicly shame and humiliate anyone who dares question--typically based on observation--the virtue of vaccines. And the fact that William Thompson, a senior scientist with the CDC, issued a statement that statistically significant data was omitted from a paper in Pediatrics linking the MMR to an increased risk for autism in African American males before 36 months of age should give us pause. I see 'anti-science' hurled at others as an insult all the time from people who do not fairly consider both sides of the argument and certainly don't think critically. It has become vogue to proclaim oneself 'pro-science' and dismiss outright anyone who questions the scientific community as anti-science. It's public shaming, and I commend the nurses here who have spoken out against this. THAT takes courage and critical thinking. I am reminded of many scientists along the way to the modern era who were also shamed and humiliated only later to be proven right. Ignaz Semmelweiz was one of those scientists. He suggested that doctors wash their hands in obstetrical clinics. While there were some studies that suggested this reduced the mortality rate to 1%, established medical practice and opinion at the time conflicted with his ideas, which were rejected my the medical establishment until after his death, when Louis Pasteur confirmed the germ theory of disease.
I had Measles Mumps and Rubella as a child. Chicken pox also... I did not die. There is also a very convincing study that babies that die from SID's actually died after receiving vaccines.
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I had Measles Mumps and Rubella as a child. Chicken pox also... I did not die. There is also a very convincing study that babies that die from SID's actually died after receiving vaccines.
I had Measles Mumps and Rubella as a child. Chicken pox also... I did not die. There is also a very convincing study that babies that die from SID's actually died after receiving vaccines.
So show us that study.....
Did you also have polio, tetorifice, whooping cough, epiglottitis? Guess the answer is no, cause you were immunized. Do you want those diseases to come back? How about smallpox?
BTW, my patients with immune deficiencies likely would die if they contracted measles, mumps, or rubella from some unvaccinated person. Do you think that's ok?
I have a friend that had Polio as a child and her leg has never been right. The older she gets, the worse it gets. It causes her pain every day and she has had multiple surgeries to correct the malformation, not to mention the teasing she got as a child or the number of pairs of shoes she has bought trying to find a pair that doesn't hurt her foot. These people have never had a child sick from a preventable disease or they would change their minds.
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to cover this up. This vaccine tampering seems to be a part of some nefarious population control plot.
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Unless you have been affected by vaccines then it is easy to say "oh they are fine get many of them." Go to the CDC website and educate your own self. Read and study the ingredients. It is nice to think you are all high and mighty because you have never been affected by one and try to get healed from them. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf Everyone should have a choice to what they put in their or their child's body. There are proven studies that show 10 years of flu vaccine causes increase in Alzheimer's. If your child was happy and healthy, had the 10 vaccine shot regime then changed to autistic child or even worse died within 10 days with the only thing being different was vaccines you would question them also.