Survey on infant male circumcision

[wtbcrna]

The current policy statement from the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"Evaluation of current evidence indicates that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks and that the procedure's benefits justify access to this procedure for families who choose it." http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/130/3/585

[phuretrotr]

Whew, wtbcrna, your absolute dedication to defending the slicing up of memberes is impressive. I mean you just always come back and answer every post that even mildly suggests that perhaps the benefits sought through circumcision are better achieved in other, less invasive ways.

What is your problem? You have been the most condescending, arrogant, poster I have ever come across on allnurses. A simple, "No, I believe circumcision to be unnecessary" would suffice. However, you have continually come to calling people names and say people are "slicing up memberes" as if people intend to hurt their children.

The same could be said about you being dedicated. Except you are dedicated in a much different and volatile way. You always come back to make an unnecessary comment, not adding anything to the conversation.

If you perhaps put your dedication elsewhere instead of putting people down based on your own personal opinion, you might actually make somewhat of a change in an issue you apparently feel so strongly about. An example is actually putting forth legitimate reasoning behind your statements. Research studies are an example. Better yet, you could conduct your own research. Anything is better than what you are currently doing, especially if you want anyone to change their beliefs to match yours.

[Red Kryptonite]

You're criticizing my terminology? They take a scalpel and cut part of the member off. Where am I wrong?

Using clean, clinical language is one way people maintain support for abhorrent practices.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Whew, wtbcrna, your absolute dedication to defending the slicing up of memberes is impressive. I mean you just always come back and answer every post that even mildly suggests that perhaps the benefits sought through circumcision are better achieved in other, less invasive ways.

And Red Krptonite you fail to read and utilize the scientific literature. I have stated that male circumcision can be a part of multi-modal solution to some medical and public health problems such as STIs, UTIs, penile and cervical cancers, certain primarily female infections etc.

What scientific literature have you provided to show that "better" and "less" invasive ways to achieve these same results? I have consistently stuck with statistical data from reliable sources and scientific research while you just keep stating your opinion like it is fact.

Show me the scientific and I am more than likely to change my mind about male circumcision.

[Red Kryptonite]

You just keep arguing past me. My primary argument is that it's completely unethical to remove undiseased body parts from unconsenting human beings.

[TU RN, DNP, CRNA]

I don't remember my circumcision at all, but I'm glad it was done when I was an infant and unable to carry such memories into adulthood. Here I am, 24 years later, and I don't think I've been emotionally or psychologically scarred in any way by the "barbarism" I was subjected to. I did however see a grown man develop phimosis and require circumcision. I'm no authority on what that experience is like (since I don't remember it), but my guess is my patient would have been retroactively grateful to his parents had they decided to circumcize him as an infant.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

You just keep arguing past me. My primary argument is that it's completely unethical to remove undiseased body parts from unconsenting human beings.

And you keep arguing past me when I say put some perspective behind your opinions.

In other words place some scientific articles to support your view that male circumcision maybe unethical.

Who is someone more likely to believe you with your unreferenced opinion or an ethicist that has done systematic literature review on the ethics behind male circumcision?

[Red Kryptonite]

There is an "ethicist" named Peter Singer who advocates allowing families to murder their young children if they decide that said children are negatively impacting their happiness. Academic ethicists are not where I get my ethical and moral code for the most part.

[Red Kryptonite]

Anyway, you and I arguing any further is useless. As determined on the other thread, we're not speaking the same language.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

There is an "ethicist" named Peter Singer who advocates allowing families to murder their young children if they decide that said children are negatively impacting their happiness. Academic ethicists are not where I get my ethical and moral code for the most part.

Yes, I remember him, but how does he come about the results. What ethical principles do you justify your beliefs on as a HCP? Does the right to autonomy ever outweigh public benefits?

I believe that all HCPs should be held to higher standards when it comes to EBP and medical-ethics than lay people. That ethicist gives his opinion on a ethical matter, but when dealing with ethics the process of coming to the decision is often just as important as the decision.

Everything that you are posting is based solely on your opinion, but as HCP can you justify that position with the use of ethical principles that have been discussed in the scientific literature? You constantly dismiss the literature, but I am pretty sure that you haven't looked at the scientific literature some of which does support your ethical considerations.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Anyway, you and I arguing any further is useless. As determined on the other thread, we're not speaking the same language.

I think as LPN student you should be trying to speak my language. The language of EBP. Do you want to change the practice of male circumcision in United States? You aren't going to do it based on your opinion. You are going to have either do your own research looking to show a difference in some aspect about circumcision or you are going to have rely on peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support public policy change. You could focus your career on doing research or promoting research that showed that sex education mitigated the public health benefits of male circumcision.

Good luck in nursing School.

[Red Kryptonite]

Yes, I remember him, but how does he come about the results.

What process could ever justify the recommendation to allow parents to murder their children?

[ontheway2crna]

The foreskin is a normal part of human anatomy and has stood the test of time through evolution, there must be a good reason for it... or is it like the pinky?