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She is the nurse who returned from Africa and was placed in quarantine despite not being sick. I'm not going to give all the details here, they are readily available online. I support her position and hope you do too. She is not sick, she should not be quarentined.

Specializes in Anesthesia.

Review of Human-to-Human Transmission of Ebola Virus | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC Questions and Answers about Ebola, Pets, and Other Animals | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC Actually, it boils down to human to human transmission since any animal to person transmission would be extremely unlikely in the United States.

That article you posted in no way suggests that there should be mandatory quarantine of asymptomatic HCWs who have taken care of ebola patients.

MMS: Error NEJM I think summarizes this discussion quite well.

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I previously said no article will recommend mandatory quarantine. But sometimes you have to read between the lines. And use common sense. It absolutely does matter which animals are vectors! You have to know where is comes from and how it gets to humans to stop it. You have to stop it in two ways. Stop it from crossing from animals to humans. And then stopping human to human transmission. They go hand and hand.

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this is the first time i read his full article. Wow! It is telling. He said some of the exact things i have said. Ebola is so scary because of how little we know about it. And its effects on the human body. He thought he was low risk. If it happened to him it could have easily happened to miss kaci! He even said he felt warm but his temp was 97. Temps can be deceiving!

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To stop it in the US. You have to stop it in Africa which means we need to know which animals spread it and how it crosses from animals to humans. Do you have any other sources other than the CDC? I'm not even going to click on any link posted from the CDC.

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Now I see why yall have the opinions you do. Everyone depends on the cdc for info. Does no one else subscribe to scholarly journals?

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I feel ya about CC. He's a total jerk. But you have to understand. Even the most expert highly trained medical professionals make mistakes. Nothing is 100%. I just posted article from Dr C. He did everything right and still got infected with ebola. You have to understand africa is third world. They lack basic necessities like clean food and water. Even if kaci followed infection control measure to a t. She is not immune. In some places they were dumping dead bodies in the water sources! I mean how can you control that? Hcw have to eat and drink while there. Africans have certain rituals and burial methods. Well that goes in the soil. Walk without shoes on and your screwed. I mean come on. Use some common sense here. Africa doesn't have the best sanitation. So when these hcw come back to the us we better be keeping an eye on them! It pretty simple really. Maybe mandatory quarantine is not necessary but we must do everything we can to track and monitor these hcw when they come back.

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And its not cool to have a hcw refuse to comply. Make miss kaci needs to learn a lesson from miss nancy and her crew. They went thru that quarantine like champs. Not one complaint. And nancy is going back! Now she is a true hero! And a class act! Take notes kaci!

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*****. I'm still waiting to be blocked! Just because I very passionately question things and present a differing point of view I would be blocked. Kinda scary and sad. Didnt realize I live in china. Lol I may not have a case for mandatory quarantines. Wont find any literature that recommends it. But to me its common sense. Just like how you wouldnt send your kid to school when they have the flu. Sometimes a little perspective and common sense goes a long way. But there is no real case against mandatory quarantines. Only real argument is that theres no evidence to support it. So does a lack of supporting evidence automatically make the opposing argument right? No. So which side is right? This debate is far from over. And with vaccination debates it's surely to continue. I think the goal should be balance. We dont want to stomp on cilival rights. But we have to protect the public. I think balance is the key. But just know that at the end of the day public health> civil liberties. Our "representatives" have worked very hard to build this global empire. And they are not going to let one loud mouth bratty nurse theaten their empire. Just sayin!

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
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this is the first time i read his full article. Wow! It is telling. He said some of the exact things i have said. Ebola is so scary because of how little we know about it. And its effects on the human body. He thought he was low risk. If it happened to him it could have easily happened to miss kaci! He even said he felt warm but his temp was 97. Temps can be deceiving!

You really do read into things what you want don't you. He was expressing worry over getting ebola when he was discussing his pseudo-symptoms and he did not have a fever because he currently was not infectious.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/nyregion/craig-spencer-new-york-ebola-doctor-speaks-out.html?_r=0

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To stop it in the US. You have to stop it in Africa which means we need to know which animals spread it and how it crosses from animals to humans. Do you have any other sources other than the CDC? I'm not even going to click on any link posted from the CDC.

Yes, if you actually scroll to the end of the CDC and other links you notice that the CDC link was a literature review and many of the others provided links have articles that they utilized too.

You have provided one article that stated nothing that could be interpreted as a need for routine mandatory quarantine for asymptomatic HCWs.

The only animals that have shown a link to ebola and humans so far have been fruit bats and primates neither of which we have in the wild here in the U.S., and even if we did the vast majority of the U.S. residents don't eat either one of those animals.

The CDC and WHO are both recognized as experts in public health and both of their agency's expert opinion is that mandatory quarantine of HCWs that are asymptomatic is not necessary and likely to cause more harm than good.

It is not up to other people to show that mandatory quarantine should not be advised that case is overwhelming already been proven. It is up to you and anyone else that believes there should be a mandatory quarantines of asymptomatic HCWs to show there is a need.

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Now I see why yall have the opinions you do. Everyone depends on the cdc for info. Does no one else subscribe to scholarly journals?

Do you? I have a lifetime alumni access to Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences (USUHS) library. I basically have access to every English peer-reviewed scientific journal there is. I also have access to Ebola experts that speak regularly at USUHS, and I was able to meet with one of the nurse scientists at NIH that works with ebola patients.

Your expertise on ebola and credentials are what exactly that make you so knowledgeable on public health?

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