Yes, I understand everyone is saying don't hurry and lot of ICU experience is good. I got it! Thank you. No one seems to be listening to what I am asking which is about admission! Hello out... Read More

  1. by   kmchugh
    There is another angle to think about this from.

    There is a shortage of anesthesia providers, regardless of how many applicants there are. There simply are not enough school seats to fill the profession at the same rate or higher as the rate at which CRNA's are currently retiring. I don't know the exact numbers, but lets just say there are 25 applicants for every school seat out there. Now, suppose one particular school was "easier" to get into than others. That would probably translate to having fewer applicants per seat than other schools. Ask yourself why that might be true. I can think of two possible reasons, neither of which makes the school attractive.

    1. The school is so bad that most applicants know about it and avoid it. Perhaps the school has an extraordinarily low pass rate for the certification boards. Perhaps the school is so bad, it is on the verge of having the COA withdraw its accreditation to teach. Whatever the reason, do you want to go to this school just because it was easier to get into?

    2. The school is so much tougher than competing schools, or its admission requirements are so much more stringent than other schools, and applicants know that, and tend to want to avoid it. For example, I know of a school that requires, in addition to a BSN, an additional two semesters of chemistry and one semester of physics. Such a school might be easier to get into, but the cost and time delay getting the extra pre-requisites out of the way were not worth it, to me at least.

    Kevin McHugh, CRNA
  2. by   globalRN
    Repeating a question, rudely, I might add, because you didn't like the first answer will get you no where.
    Kevin McHugh, CRNA

    'What is with the rudeness by the way....you aren't gonna get your way by repeating yourself in a rude manner. Not to mention the fact that non one wants to help someone who wont help themselves. '

    'Read through the old posts on this board and you'll get a lot of great information. Check out www.anesthesia-nursing.com as well. THEN come back and ask any questions and take the answer you GET, don't fish for the answer you WANT. '

    I am not aware if you realize how very rude your post appears.
    For a program which is as much in demand as CRNA, you can bet that along with all the other prerequisites, great people skills and maturity will be what the interviewer will be looking for.
  3. by   meandragonbrett
    My post was not rude, it simply states the facts. I'm sure everybody here has seached through the forum archives. Ann needs to do the same thing then ask any questions that she has becuase MANY questions have been answered already. Like kevin said, there's one thread "Becoming a CRNA from one who did it" that's an excellent source of information.

    "For a program which is as much in demand as CRNA, you can bet that along with all the other prerequisites, great people skills and maturity will be what the interviewer will be looking for."

    So are you saying that Kevin, CCU RN, and I do not have people skills? If so what's your rationale? Ann asked the same question twice, she didn't like her answer the first time.....It's that simple.

    Have a good day
  4. by   kmchugh

    I think GlobalRN's post was directed at AnnCRNA rather than at you.

    Also, Ann, if you are not a CRNA, you might want to change you screen name. You aren't a CRNA yet, and should any programs you apply to find you are using this title now, you might find admission even more difficult. Lots of CRNA's object to someone who isn't one yet using the title. Kind of like a CNA calling themselves an RN.

    It would do you well to remember that the community of CRNA's is relatively small, and pretty close knit. Should your desire to get to a school with "easy admission," your rudeness, and calling yourself a CRNA, even on a bulletin board, get around, this could very well end up being the only place you are a CRNA.

    Kevin McHugh, CRNA
    Last edit by kmchugh on Sep 26, '02
  5. by   caliotter3
    It's really funny but after reading this thread and the other, and agreeing with all the posters, one of the first things to pop into my head was that AnnCRNA better hope that this little interchange is not somehow identified with her in the future. You would be surprised what happens to people when stuff gets around.
  6. by   ccreyts
    I didn't read your original post, but reading this one, I didn't get the impression you were interested in applying to CRNA school.

    I'm also interested in the specialty, but it's not my intention to ever obtain the certification.

    If your motivation is elsewhere, maybe you'd get the responses you're looking for by saying so.
  7. by   globalRN
    Thanks Kevin:
    my comments were directed to AnnCRNA
    and I certainly did not intend to suggest that either you, Brett or New CCRN were rude. I thought your comments were an excellent reality check for AnnCRNA.

    It does teach me to direct my comments to the intended party as I suppose Brett could have thought I was referring to the last poster(Brett).

    OK, sorry for any misinterpretations/misunderstandings.
  8. by   meandragonbrett
    Ok sorry for the misinterpretations on my part. No hard feelings global?

    Sorry about that!!
  9. by   globalRN
    No hard feelings, Brett.
    I enjoy reading your posts and wish you all the best in your studies.
  10. by   Roland

    1. Geographic inconvinience might cause some schools to have relatively fewer applicants than others. I wouldn't be surprised to learn if schools in California didn't get more applications per spot than most other schools say in Minnesota.

    2. The additional requirements that Kevin alluded to might offer opportunity to those who would otherwise have a marginal chance of acceptence. Such a person might find it worthwhile to take the addtional Chemistry and or Physics to place themselves into a pool where they were competing against fewer applicants.

    3. It may very well be that classes that start in January or February have fewer applicants than those which begin in the fall.

    4. Those programs which exceed twenty seven months might very well get fewer applicants per seat than other programs.

    5. Price might play a role. I read of a school in Tenn. that has a 10K clinical fee your first year. If you are "cash rich" but grade poor these schools might offer greater opportunity. Speaking, of Tenn. I believe they have AT LEAST four schools. Find out if they show a preference to state residents. If THEY DO, and you are a marginal applicant consider moving there AT LEAST A YEAR AHEAD of application to make yourself a resident.

    6. If you are the type of student who does very well on standardized tests but are weaker on grades you might want to consider applying to a school with high GRE requirments.

    Of course these are just "possible" factors and have NOT been researched or tested. I'm sure that with research many more factors could be added. Finally, I would like to say that while Ann is remiss to use the term CRNA, and to behave in an insulting manner it would be unfortunate if a forum intended to facilitate the free exchange of ideas, was ever used directly or indirectly to punish someone in their personal or professional life for views expressed.
    Last edit by Roland on Sep 27, '02
  11. by   globalRN
    Hey Roland, good post!!!
    I think you would be an excellent candidate for CRNA school IMO.
  12. by   meandragonbrett
    The State TN schools.....UT-Memphis, Chat. and I think there's one in knox. DO give preferences to instate people b\c if they don't they will not be able to keep their federal funding. The University of Tennesse Med. School must have 90% of their students from TN to maintain their federal funding. But there is a private school.....Middle Tennesee School of Nurse Anesthesia or something like that. I don't know much about that. I'm wanting to attend UT-Memphis.
  13. by   London88
    There are many schools in the Philadelphia region. i can think of 6 of them without too much thinking. Like Roland said, the more schools in a given geographical area the better one's chance of being accepted. That does not mean that the entry requiements are easier. However i know of one or two schools that are prepared to give a student with less than the minimal requirements the opportunity to prove themselves, and have allowed them to matriculate into the program. University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, does not require the GRE or MAT for their program, but it is the only program in NJ. What do you think the competition is like for one of those ten spots?

    I do not think that anybody should be too concerned about Ann's behavior, because I know for a fact that she will get a real "attitude adjustment" by the seasoned ICU nurses.
    Last edit by London88 on Sep 30, '02