Stony Brook Accelerated Nursing Class of 2015

Aquaman909 · Feb 8, 2014

" You deserve to be rejected ." .... LOL! Do you think I am upset? ... It's like losing the race initially at prelims but coming back and winning the Gold Medal at Finals. I never heard of a RN first-assist before, but I can't find any references that state they do more than PA's. I'd be interested to see your source vervain. There is also new legislation that will begin in 2015 requiring all NP's to have a DNP instead of the Masters.

Link Below....

DNP by 2015? on ADVANCE for NPs & PAs

So for a nurse to get on the same level as a PA they will need a Doctorate lol. So GoVeg and Paco, you have 1 year to finish your Masters to hopefully get grandfathered in, if not you will need to get a DNP. It's funny because I was reading a thread about DNP 2015 on this site and Paco commented on that thread all worried lol...

This legislation really is a slap in the face to NP's. It's basically the governing body saying , "we don't think your education is good enough to match the two years of a PA's education and thus require you to attend more classes" lol. Maybe they are right???

Hmmm... Maybe this is why Forbes ranked PA best masters degree, and nursing a distant 9th .

(No. 1 Best Master's Degree For Jobs: Physician Assistant Studies - In Photos: The Best And Worst Master's Degrees For Jobs - Forbes)

I wonder why this could be???

Anyways it's been fun....and of course..... Congrats on getting in guys!!!!! :)

Look Forward to reading your angry comments lol .......

PacoUSA, BSN, RN · Feb 8, 2014

That "worried" post was posted when I was a new grad. I've evolved much more positively since then, and I couldn't care less if and when I go back to school for another degree -- be it DNP or MSN or whatever. I'm happy with my career and the options I have right now, that's all that should matter. Life is good when you don't have to believe you're better than anyone else.

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Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Feb 8, 2014

I never heard of a RN first-assist before, but I can't find any references that state they do more than PA's. I'd be interested to see your source vervain. There is also new legislation that will begin in 2015 requiring all NP's to have a DNP instead of the Masters.
Link Below....
DNP by 2015? on ADVANCE for NPs & PAs
So for a nurse to get on the same level as a PA they will need a Doctorate lol. So GoVeg and Paco, you have 1 year to finish your Masters to hopefully get grandfathered in, if not you will need to get a DNP. It's funny because I was reading a thread about DNP 2015 on this site and Paco commented on that thread all worried lol...
This legislation really is a slap in the face to NP's. It's basically the governing body saying , "we don't think your education is good enough to match the two years of a PA's education and thus require you to attend more classes" lol. Maybe they are right???
Hmmm... Maybe this is why Forbes ranked PA best masters degree, and nursing a distant 9th .
(No. 1 Best Master's Degree For Jobs: Physician Assistant Studies - In Photos: The Best And Worst Master's Degrees For Jobs - Forbes)

The roles of NP and PA are completely different. There are 16 states right now that allow APN to practice without physician supervision

Oversight of nurse practitioners and physician assistants
While physician assistants always need a doctor looking on, nurse practitioners can practice without physician supervision in 16 states and the District of Columbia. There's a push to extend that nationwide.

Interestingly statistics show that APN"s are higher paid and there are 16 states where physician over sight is not required. However ALL states require physician supervision of the PA

Several years' worth of lower-level health care experience generally is required before a person can enter a P.A. program. The field is moving toward a master's degree as the standard requirement, says Jeanette Smith, spokeswoman for the Physician Assistant Education Association.
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It has NOT been established that a DNP will be required by 2015. This may be in fact another long drawn out battle like making the BSN entry level....which it should as we go forward

The verdict is that the call by the AACN for transitioning advanced practice nursing to the doctoral level by 2015 is only a "recommendation."

So it would be the best practice in the future... before quoting and article please read said article to ensure you are using the information correctly.

the transition from the master's to the DNP preparation by 2015 is that it is "recommended" or "endorsed," but NOT "mandated." However, just to be certain I reviewed many organization websites such as the AACN (American Association of Colleges of Nursing), CCNE (Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education), AANP (American Academy of Nurse Practitioners), and NONPF (National Organization of Nurse Practitioner Faculties). I also attended the third National Doctors of Nursing Conference in San Diego in 2010. I had the opportunity to talk with nursing leaders and policy makers on this very issue. The verdict is that the call by the AACN for transitioning advanced practice nursing to the doctoral level by 2015 is only a "recommendation."

DNP by 2015? on ADVANCE for NPs & PAs

Aquaman909 · Feb 9, 2014

So I am not sure too your reference for salaries NP vs PA but the latest up to date salaries including the Forbes article I referenced show PA's making more than NP's on average but still fairly close.

Reference 1:

2013 Nurse Practitioner & Physician Assistant Salary Survey

Reference 2:

2012 NP & PA Salary Survey Results on ADVANCE for NPs & PAs

Reference 3: (As of 2010)

PA vs NP: Salary Comparison

Reference 4:

No. 1 Best Master's Degree For Jobs: Physician Assistant Studies - In Photos: The Best And Worst Master's Degrees For Jobs - Forbes

And yes I did read it was a recommendation. It's like Vaccination, it's not mandatory to get your kids vaccinated, but you are an idiot not too.

Don't you think a hospital administration will prefer to Hire a PA vs NP due to PA's training not be called into question by governing bodies? Hospital's will begin shifting away from NP (especially ones with little experience) and start to favor PA's and DNP's. Also, its cheaper for the hospital to hire a PA due to their insurance rates being less due to them NOT practicing independently. If I were you Paco or GoVeg, I would go right into a DNP program after I graduated because look at LPN's now, they are essentially phased out (They can now only work in nursing homes I believe) , soon R/N Associates will be phased out (Favoring BSN's) and guess what is next??? If it can happen to LPN's it can happen to NP's. Granted I can not predict the future but I feel the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

As to NP's being able to practice independently, I am perfectly happy not being an independent practitioner. I know my role in a healthcare team and I am perfectly happy with it. Also, my charts will always have an MD co-sign, meaning unless I am negligent I am not Liable (buck is passed to MD for medical decision making). This is not the case with independently practicing NP's who must bear full legal liability.

Also, can I get a "Like" Paco and GoVeg for the career advice???? :)

Aquaman909 · Feb 9, 2014

So I just got done reading a very interesting and sad article titled " Death of Nursing " (Link Below).

https://allnurses.com/nursing-activism-healthcare/the-death-nursing-904513.html

Detailing a nurse who has put her heart and soul into the profession for the last 30 years and right now feels ....

"I am afraid. I am afraid that nursing is dying and I am afraid I will lose my job and won't get another because I lack a BSN and I am in my 50's. I am sad that I devoted so many years to a heartless hospital system that does not appreciate my years of service and the fact that I am not a bump on a log. "

This illustrates my point that even though it is just a "recommendation" that nurses now have their BSN , administration is going to make your life difficult if you don't. Personally I feel its ludicrous that administration is giving this nurse a hard time just because she has her associates and is clearly undervaluing her experience. This is going to be similar pressure NP's are going to be facing due to upcoming "recommendations".

PacoUSA, BSN, RN · Feb 9, 2014

I just love the "ignore" feature on allnurses ... ... carry on, Stony Brook thread!

Fifer · Feb 9, 2014

This thread is about stony brook's accelerated nursing program. I'm sorry you didn't make the cut, Aquaman, but I have no interest in being a PA or hearing someone rant about being a PA. I, and I believe many others here, have done plenty of research into the field of nursing and I know what I want to do with my life. To those of us starting in June, congratulations and I can't wait to meet some like-minded people.

HopefulSRNA1234 · Feb 9, 2014

Gosh you're annoying! If you like PA so much I'm not sure why you even applied for nursing. But you don't need to defend your choice if it's what you really want, go for it! I spent several years working in healthcare before I choose to do nursing. I've loved the program and nursing so far so I couldn't be happier with my choice! I hope you find the same and PA brings you everything you wanted in a career. We all deserve it. For me, I saw more advancement opportunities, ability to work for charity, administrative potential, and political potential in the NP route. Hospitals also have more nurses (by a huge proportion) and I love the 12 hour shifts that can make it easier for me to have a family. It's absolutely the right choice for me. Again, I hope PA is the right one for you. Now with a cordial goodbye, I hope you will leave this forum and either stop ******** on people's career choices in general or at least find a more appropriate forum for it.

Ttfn!

Aquaman909 · Feb 10, 2014

Again, I applied to Stony Brook (Rejected) , NYU (Accepted), and U oR (Accepted) one year nursing programs as safely schools as PA school was far from a guarantee. Luckily, I got accepted and I am so overjoyed and grateful. I apologize for coming off as "********" on your career choices, I very much could have been in the same shoes myself. Anyways, best of luck in school and your careers future BSN's and/or current R/N's .

Your Favorite PA student,

Aquaman909

Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN · Feb 10, 2014

MODERATOR NOTE:

I am one of those undervalued RN's who has been dumped because I am at the top of the pay scale and I am no longer a valued educator without a MSN. Their loss.

However....THIS thread is bout getting accepted to this particular program. If you wish to discuss the benefits of being a PA...please start another thread!

Please stick to topic

Mehv · Feb 11, 2014

Getting back to the topic...................

Those of you who are accepted, what are your plans for housing? I am so worried b/c I don't want to live on campus and I am not sure how to find a roommate or where to look for an apartment. Please share where you guys are looking and if looking for a roommate, then let me know.

mhy12784 · Feb 12, 2014

Getting back to the topic...................
Those of you who are accepted, what are your plans for housing? I am so worried b/c I don't want to live on campus and I am not sure how to find a roommate or where to look for an apartment. Please share where you guys are looking and if looking for a roommate, then let me know.

Open disclosure I never used this website

But friends of mine have

OCH: Welcome to Off Campus Housing

Its for finding off campus housing for the college.

I already graduated SBU, and live in the area so I didnt need housing.

(actually im pretty sure that website is run by stony brook, although im not certain)