So my pie notes suck.........

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Specializes in Peds Hem, Onc, Med/Surg.

That is it in short. My manager had a nicer way of putting it, but by the time she had finished I got the gist. My PIE notes suck. :cry: (I didn't pay attention to the rest.:D)

But that was her only complaint so I guess that is good.

I am looking for a book on PIE notes or any advice would be helpful!

From what I can tell my biggest problem is actually making a good pie note for when a patient really doesn't have anything. Like if they have pain or stuff going on its fine I can do one. But if they are just there waiting for test results and they are walkie-talkies I can't come up with anything. Plus I refuse to copy other nurses pie notes from the shift before. That to me is plain out lazy!

Thanks in advance!

much love,

Chicookie

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I'm just a student so forgive my ignorance . . . but you are required to write a PIE note when there is no problem? That makes no sense to me. The definition of a pie note is PROBLEM, intervention, evaluation. We write pie notes in clinical on any problems we see. If there are no problems, we write no pie notes.

Just curious,

Kelly

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Specializes in Peds Hem, Onc, Med/Surg.
I'm just a student so forgive my ignorance . . . but you are required to write a PIE note when there is no problem? That makes no sense to me. The definition of a pie note is PROBLEM, intervention, evaluation. We write pie notes in clinical on any problems we see. If there are no problems, we write no pie notes.

Just curious,

Kelly

EXACTLY! That is what I learned in nursing school. But no.

My manager wants pie notes all the time. At least two pie notes per shift. I can't even come up with one for these patients. :uhoh3:

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Hygiene? Pain, ADLS are all good topcs....

Emotional issues?

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Another way of looking at this is she wants you to show active involvement wth the patient and that active care is being delivered.

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Well . . . I guess if they are hospitalized there must be some problem? Find something related to their diagnosis would be my advice. Pain is always a good one, for patients who are fatigued due to illness, activity intolerance, and anxiety is also relevant in many cases, particularly if someone is having procedures done or waiting for lab or diagnostic results.

Good luck!

Kelly

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Hygiene? Pain, ADLS are all good topcs....

Emotional issues?

Ok maybe you can help me with this one.

male patient, 43 years old. Came in with severe headache. Waiting on results. Pain 0 out of 10.(by the time I got him his headache was gone) Ambulates just fine. Didn't need me at all. Such a blessing on a busy night. Just hanging out and waiting. Showered by himself, ate by himself. The nurses were wondering why he was still there.

I couldn't think of one pie note. He was just waiting on the Dr. What was I supposed to chart? :uhoh3:

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Ok maybe you can help me with this one.

male patient, 43 years old. Came in with severe headache. Waiting on results. Pain 0 out of 10.(by the time I got him his headache was gone) Ambulates just fine. Didn't need me at all. Such a blessing on a busy night. Just hanging out and waiting. Showered by himself, ate by himself. The nurses were wondering why he was still there.

I couldn't think of one pie note. He was just waiting on the Dr. What was I supposed to chart? :uhoh3:

How about anxiety regarding diagnosis? How is he coping-is he verbalizing his anxiety or in denial?

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P-Reports absence of pain. Self completed ADLS.

I-Offered comfort measures. (Hungry etc.)

E-Continue to monitor pain and physical comfort levels.

I think I prefer DAP

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How about anxiety regarding diagnosis?

ok. How would I pie that? He wasn't really anxious or anything. Most laid back patient I have ever seen. I asked him do you need anything? No. Questions? No. I even asked him was he worried, upset, happy? His response: No, I am just here.

THROW ME A BONE! :)

I do get alot of these by the way. We always get one of these patients for some reason. They were in pain 2 days ago and now they are just waiting. And since I am new I always get them. 1 super easy patient, and 5 not so easy patients.

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P-Reports absence of pain. Self completed ADLS.

I-Offered comfort measures. (Hungry etc.)

E-Continue to monitor pain and physical comfort levels.

I think I prefer DAP

:yeah::yeah::yeah::yeah:

oh THAT IS A GOOD ONE!

THANKS!

Its going in the notebook!

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Specializes in Peds Hem, Onc, Med/Surg.

So that leaves me with another question. Is it normal to have like a handful of pie notes that can be applied to different patients. For example some of the nurse have a handful of pie notes that they apply to almost everyone. At the end of their shift they have like 5 pie notes on each patient. Is that an acceptable practice?

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