So if bile is a detergent...?

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I was doing a lap chole with a trauma surgeon last month. He was quizzing the med student on the function of bile. When we started taking down the gallbladder from the liver, the gallbladder was nicked and bile started to leak. When this happens, we as nurses must then classify the wound as "clean contaminated". While listening to the surgeon lecture, he asked the med student why we saw bubbles when we irrigated. No response from the student. The surgeon went on to say that bile is actually a detergent.

Now I am a self admitted airhead. I know that detergent doesn't always mean "scrubbing bubbles". However, upon further pondering of his statement, I researched further on the detergent properties of bile. So my question is this:

If bile is spilled into the abdominal contents during surgery, why is it considered clean-contaminated? I am surmising that since bile is a protein and can denature if the gallbladder ruptures well BEFORE surgery, it can be considered contaminated at that point. But DURING surgery?

Thoughts?

Specializes in psych/addictions/liaison.
Specializes in psych/addictions/liaison.

And Steve before the alcohol and coke bloated him....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMmV6xXYFw&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
god bless allnurses.com, and all the wise souls who sail on her.

quite often, when mickeytong dry-retches on the day's plates and pans before they go into the dishwasher, my fastidious other-half will throw me a filthy look and a hurtful remark about my vile personal habits.

now i can tell her: "hey! it's clean. look it up on the interwebthing."

so you make a habit of puking on the dishes just as she's about to closer 'er up and turn the dial. . well - it does sound a little weird but i remember in the remake of the classic movie "the fly" jeff goldblum would puke on his food so the enzymes could get to work right away- i don't know but i decided against attaching a thumbnail picture of it yes it was just that gross. i'm not even sure telling her it is a certified allnurses ☀housekeeping tip☀ for clean dishes will do the trick.

Specializes in psych/addictions/liaison.
so you make a habit of puking on the dishes just as she's about to closer 'er up and turn the dial. . well - it does sound a little weird but i remember in the remake of the classic movie "the fly" jeff goldblum would puke on his food so the enzymes could get to work right away- i don't know but i decided against attaching a thumbnail picture of it yes it was just that gross. i'm not even sure telling her it is a certified allnurses ☀housekeeping tip☀ for clean dishes will do the trick.

well, nursel56.....just for the record, and to recuperate some credibility for myself (professionally and on a personal level), i freely confess that i made up the whole story, purely for entertainment purposes. and to suck the wind from my sails if i make a post which is a bit pompous and smug - people could think: "mickeytong, huh, he's the guy who pukes on his dinner plates..."

not that i could ever be pompous and smug.

(i looked for a youtube clip of the fly..but failed: there must be a copyright thing.)

again, just for the record: i never dry-retch - it's always "substantial".

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

I actually have a collection of housekeeping and household hint books - the oldest is from about 1896 and oh dear god! The chemicals these people used for "ordinary cleaning" would qualify for Superfund Toxic Waste cleanup! Yee-ikes!

:) ♫ orificenic and lead paint and sulfur and potash .. kerosene gasoline ♫ and kids tied to mommy with long apron strinnngggss . . ♫

sorry just felt inspired there for a sec

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:) ♫ orificenic and lead paint and sulfur and potash .. kerosene gasoline ♫ and kids tied to mommy with long apron strinnngggss . . ♫

sorry just felt inspired there for a sec

Well, just to prove I do more than throw up on whimsy - Frederick Law Olmsted (who built Central Park in NYC - you knew that, of course) was killed by the wallpaper in his bedroom: it was heavily laced with orificenic and lead. It was a common occurrence in the 19th Century.

And some people think public health measures are a symptom of the "nanny state".

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Well, just to prove I do more than throw up on whimsy - Frederick Law Olmsted (who built Central Park in NYC - you knew that, of course) was killed by the wallpaper in his bedroom: it was heavily laced with orificenic and lead. It was a common occurrence in the 19th Century.

:jester:

And some people think public health measures are a symptom of the "nanny state".

Yeahhh . . . they think first there was the Founding Fathers and then one day everybody woke up looked around and said what is this FDA thing here!! Anti-trust laws! Ack! Unions! Whatever made them do that??? ha I better stop it there or I will hijack canes thread even more off-topic! !

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