SLP vs RN: Need Advice!!

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I got into a disagreement with the SLP that was assigned to my patient and I need some advice and feedback so I know how to move forward.

Patient was an adult that fell out of a tree and face planted on concrete. Bilateral skull fractures and extensive TBI. Patient came to us from the ICU with restraints due to patient behavior. Pt was restless and agitated, moving around in bed to the point of throwing herself over the side rails and slamming her head into the side rails. We place seizure pads on the bed to protect her head. She was also pulling at her lines. The RN's before my shift were giving .5mg dilaudid, 1mg Ativan, and 2 mg of haldol approximately every four hours to keep the Pt calm and from thrashing in bed and pulling at lines. She received the last dose at 0338 and I resumed care at 0730. Patient would be calm for 5-10 mins at a time and restless/agitate the rest of the time.

SLP walked up to me at the nurse's station and asked "why are we giving her dialaudid, haldol, and Ativan all at the same time. I explained the reasoning and SLP says we are over medicating the Patient. She followed the question asking why the patient needed the PICC and the Foley if she was pulling on it. Very annoyed and upset, I replied with "I don't know, I'm not a Dr." And left it at that. Now I understand I could have handled that part better, but I was offended that she would question my judgement.

SLP went to the provider and told him that nursing was over medicating the patient and told the provider that the patient dos not need the lines anymore and that they should be removed. Provider agreed and discontinued the lines and the meds. That night all meds had to be added back on by the night hospitalist because they couldn't keep the patient in bed and the patient ended up in 5 point restraints.

The next day, the patient was restless and thrashing around all morning so I decided to give the haldol. The SLP happened to be in the room when I was giving it. She asked me why we were giving the medication and the patient happened to be calm for that 5-6 mins. I told her I was giving it because it was ordered. SLP went to the provider and accused me of unnecessarily sedating the patient and that the patient was not a harm to herself and didn't need the medication. The provider accused me and things got ugly. Needless to say, I removed myself from the patient's care team.

I have to sit down with the SLP and her manager in two days because she made a formal complaint of my behavior. I feel she overstepped her boundaries and outside her scope of practice. I also believe she damaged my relationship with the provider and his ability to trust my judgment in the future.

What can I do? What should I do? I'm lost and upset and beyond frustrated. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you!!

What was the SLP planning to do with the patient prior to the sedation? Sometimes patients require swallow studies before they can be transferred to their next level of care. If the SLP was planning to do a swallow study, were they concerned the sedation would interfere with the patient's ability to do an accurate study?

Specializes in ICU, trauma.

head injuries can be WILD to say the least. I'm in shock that the physician trusted her "judgement" over yours! :bored: also, 1mg ativan and 2 of haldol q4 is not a lot...i highly doubt you snowed your pt with this amount of medication....

Specializes in ICU.

Why are you sitting with her manager? Do you report to that manager as well? I would say well, let me bring my manager as well. Fill your manager in on the situation and then let the managers hammer it out.

I do think you were probably short with her, but unless the manager is a nurse, then to me, it's a non-issue. You used your nursing judgement. SLPs are not registered nurses and do not use nursing judgement. Last I checked, they don't administer meds.

They have their own job to do, and I don't interfere with the job they do. There may be a little more to this story than what I'm understanding.

But if it were me, I would go to my boss, explain what happened, and ask him/her to come as well. I would explain that I may not have been the nicest, but this person overstepped their scope of practice. But the fact that the physician sided with them to begin with makes me think something else went on.

Specializes in PCCN.

I guess my biggest concern would be why aren't the doctors thinking of more long term meds instead of prn meds for a behavioral issue that doesnt seem like its going to be short term.

My answer would have been we are giving these meds as that is what the md has ordered for the safety of the patient.Especially if you are having to constantly restrain the pt for safety reasons.

Many allied staff dont see what happens for hours on end with these types of pts. lets see them try to deal with them for 4 or 8 hours straight , and then see what they have to say. Ugghh. We get this from MD's too. Saying the babysitting thing is our problem.

I cant believe this went this far. The SLP is being a b word.C'mon, the MD ordered the meds- if they didnt want them used, they wouldnt order them!

the foley and picc probably should have came out anyway before pt harmed herself by pulling them out, or getting infections.

Ugh so frustrating. Sorry OP GL in your meeting.

You will have a better chance of collaborating with the SLP if you do not approach her with a silo mentality.

Why is the SLP involving herself with the foley/PICC lines?

I'm surprised at the minimizing of the SLP's education and expertise dealing with TBI's going on in this thread. They by far have more expertise on brain function then a new nurse grad, and the effects of sedating meds.

Understanding reasons for PICCs and Foleys doesn't require an RN, lay people with exposure could school a new nurse, I'm sure the SLP, if she's been around can grasp when a PICC and/or Foley can be questioned.

Seasoned (?) SLP and new nurse on neuro floor, SLP may have some credibility that OP yet hasn't developed.

Again to OP, having a dialogue with your team members is a good thing. Had you explained what had been going on and asked the SLP her thoughts, this would have had a much different outcome for you.

I need advice I test on Wednesday...! I finished NCSBN, Kaplan and Uworld...! some LaCharity...I'm going over my wrong answers again on Uworld....I averanged 60s% percentile 83rd...what else should I do?! I'm so nervous!!!! HELP!

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